The Legion will probably be back after Doomsday Clock.

I'm hoping this is a preamble to the return of the Legion.

I want DC to fire Scott Lobdell but they clearly win’t.

I meant to say won’t.

for his writing or behavior?

I also don’t get all these 10 ratings, those readers must have never read a Pre52 New Gods story. It’s not entirely bad, what King did here, but I think the story didn’t need 12 issues to be told. I am still waiting for the story to start. I also want a new writer fit Batman, but it’s another 2 years with King. ( Wish it was Stephen King)

For his writing. He just took 12 issues to say nothing. The only thing I can think he said was that Mr Miracle killed himself in the first issue and by the end he’s realized that being dead is better than life. So he just glorified suicide? Yeah, fire him.

wow! so once again Tom King is trying to promote suicide? how edgy.

Lol. I got banned on Reddit for saying King needs to get back on his meds and get therapy because of this shit.

Not his fault you didnt understand what you read. And your opinion is not a fact. You think Mister Miracle is bad but it really isnt

Lol. And that is your opinion. Not a fact. You think Mister Miracle is good but it really isn’t. See how that works? And you can’t say it’s because someone doesn’t understand it. It’s written so poorly that there are multiple interpretations out there.

That's why the ending works. It references it being a hell or heaven of his own making, and it is saying whether or not this world he created matters if it is real or not, as long as it is real to him. Also, in issue 7 it kind of referenced the real answer. When his baby was born it made reference to Lump. Lump was a character in Jack Kirby's original run and volume 2 that was able to create false realities for Scott Free and Shilo Norman inside their own minds.

I don't see anything wrong with a book being open-ended.

to me, the ending shows that scott chose to stay in heaven/trap (whichever you think it is) which is the easy choice, not the heroes choice. Scott basically picks the made up world in his head over the real world because that may take some effort to make good. His suicide in the beginning isn't explained...why did he do that? without knowing that, I have no idea what he is "escaping from"

usually when DC leaves a series open-ended they typically will lead into another series.

Can you imagine a follow up series to this by King? Maybe that’s his plan to stay employed. Just keep writing open ended stories that require follow ups. The problem is that we don’t know why he killed himself and the entire series basically says that if life is too hard then kill yourself and you’ll be happier. I’m serious when I say King needs therapy.

the follow-up will start with the baby slitting it's wrists.

This is entirely a personal pet peeve, but I don’t mind when people criticize a writer’s work, but when they start to criticize the person, I get really annoyed. I have never met Tom King and know near nothing about him except for how he writes, so I can’t start talking about his mental health or his employment in the comments section of a reviewing website.

I feel like if I was a comic book writer, I would just have to accept if people dislike an issue I write or a series, that’s something I have to accept with the job. But if people started saying I needed therapy or needed to be fired, I would probably feel really hurt, especially since these are people who know squat about my personal life. Again this is just a personal annoyance I’ve always felt with this website that I’ve wanted to get out for a while.

So you don’t think someone who only seems to focus on depression and suicide should seek some sort of help? You know how people always talk about there being signs someone was thinking of doing something to themselves? I feel like his entire comic career is a huge sign. I don’t like his writing. Can’t stand it but I think this guy really does probably need to get some help.

I don’t mind a sad/ depressive ending, but I just expected more with Mr Miracle. That’s my problem with the story. This could take place after Barda was killed in Death of the New Gods, but that’s not canon anymore, so I don’t know. In New52/ Rebirth timeline Scott has no reason to run from reality. I also don’t think he killed himself, but as for me I always hoped he would escape that dream world or whatever and face reality. Scott is a broken character, but he also fights when he has to.

I just don’t think that we should be discussing his mental health. That is for his family and friends to be concerned about. Maybe he has been seeking help since he wrote this issue, or maybe he just though it would have an impact on readers, and is totally stable. Also this is a reviewing website, not really the right place to be talking about stuff like this.

He puts it out there with his work. Feel free to not partake in it. He constantly talks about his panic attacks and his depression so if he puts it out for the public to see and then writes these shitty stories then both will be discussed. It’s reality. He doesn’t need you to save him.

I agree& actually I didn’t even know King has psychological issues. I care for the stories, not about his private life.

So I've just read some of King's interviews, and first of all I admire his bravery for coming out with this information. My two closest friends have dealt with suicide depression nearly their entire lives, and believe me, it is not an easy thing for anyone to talk about. It also sounds like he has confessed his trauma to someone else, who helped him through it, not necessarily a therapist, but someone who would listen, which can be just as good.

And I will feel free not to partake in it. King writing "shitty stories" is subjective. I will admit I did not know he had talked about his panic attack before, and now that I do I understand that there will be discussion on it and that he knows fully well there will be as well and I appreciate him for that. I agree, I do not need to save him. All I was saying to begin with was that it annoyed me personally and that's what I'll stick with.

personally i find the 'suicide' topic in comics to be tiresome. i didn't appreciate King having Bruce Wayne describing slitting his wrists when he was younger. it just made the character look weak. i've had to deal with too many people in my life that have either attempted it or succeeded in their mission for self imposed death. it's a horrible thing to experience. and i don't think it makes for very good superhero stories.

I have no problem with portraying characters suicidal, but it has to fit the character. It’s not the first time Bruce was portrayed as a troubled child, he also was in Hush/ Heart of Hush. And Batman isn’t like the other heroes, he is a psycho himself& often isn’t so much different from his villains. So I can live with him slitting his wrists as a child, I however don’t think this whining over Catwoman fits his character. Or that he basically killed KGBeast a few issues ago.

i just don't think any of it fits Bruce, who he is and what he stands for. if he was so quick to give up, there's no way he would have been able to endure all the training and disciplining he endured in his journey to becoming Batman. Bruce hasn't always been psychotic as some writer like to portray him as. driven, focused, determined, sometimes obstinate, yes. psychotic, i just don't think he'd be very effective at what he does if he weren't in his right mind.

I think he can be psychotic, but focused& determined at the same time. Villains like Scarecrow or Mr Freeze are also classified as insane, but are brilliant at the same time. I also don’t think cutting yourself is a sign for being weak or for giving up. Bruce tried to cope with his loss in some way& neither cutting nor becoming Batman was the right way.

i just felt the cutting was very unnecessary. ...almost like that lost chapter where Bruce nearly spent half the family fortune at nudey bars getting lap dances.

Glad to see this lived up to the expectations! Grant Morrison is one of my favorite writers, Doom Patrol and Animal Man easily both crack my top five favorite comics. This review gets me excited!

you should be in for a real treat then, and i feel you'll be right at home with this comic! 😃 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also, after reading this issue over again, i had to raise my initial score up a mark. you're definitely going get your money's worth here. 🙃

Awesome!

Have either of you read Klaus?

i really loved the Klaus mini-series. the two one-shots that were released later on were also good.

Yes, I have. I also really enjoyed it.

my only wish is that Frank Quitely would have drawn this first issue, as well as the entire first arc.

That would be awesome! Frank Quitely is a great artist! I still love Liam Sharp's art, but I think that Quitely's art certainly works better with the writing.

i definitely enjoy Liam Sharp's art in this. i'm just coveting the idea of what could have been. at least we had gotten Grant and Quitely's JLA: Earth 2 a few years ago. that was amazing to see Frank Quitely drawing Kyle Rayner constructing those two giant hands clasping over the Crime Syndicate's Moon Base. SO awesome!! . . . . but Sharp is pretty good. my favorite work he did is the Death Dealer comics he did for Verotik. pretty sure i still have those in my collection . . . . somewhere. :-P

I LOVED EARTH 2! I'll have to check those other Liam Sharp comics out!