Black Panther #9

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  Psycamorean

  Sep 27, 2022

  Valiant Son does what so many people do when they overtly don't like something but don't want to be called out for it. They pretend like there is any world where they'd be okay with a satire of things they like. In this case, misogyny and colonialism. Just a quick look through Valiant Son's reviews, they're extremely biased towards any sort of progressive narrative. They are right that this is on the nose, but frankly, it's better that way. The Colonialist is a very creepy villain outside of any of the things it says, but that additional factor of being openly awful only adds to what is a really neat villain. I really hope the political-critique version of negging that Valiant Son is so adept at doesn't become normalized. It's very obnoxiou s. more

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  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  Don't presume to think you know what my motivation was. You are, as usual, completely wrong about my politics. It's also hilarious and ironic that you accuse me of being obnoxious. Instead of reviewing my review (and I am entitled to dislike what, in my opinion, is bad writing), why not actually review the comic? An ad hominem attack is an extremely weak, and intrinsically fallacious rhetorical device. Pathetic.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  I will presume because of the pattern present in your reviews. You can tell me what your politics are, but I can always tell you how your politics are perceived. It's only an ad hominem if I used it to discredit your argument, but you didn't actually make an argument to discredit. In fact, I agreed that the writing was on the nose, and I liked it. Me calling you obnoxious was simply an insult.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  You truly are pathetic. Yes, your comments were ad hominem. I did make an argument in my review, and to attempt to suggest otherwise is frankly ridiculous. I'm glad, however, that you accept that you were being deliberately insulting: this demonstrates exactly the kind of person you are. You appear to like to think of yourself as some sort of progressive hero, keyboard-warrior. You are instead a nasty, small-minded individual, who chooses to attack people...

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  ...because they don't like all of the same comics as you. That you believe you can define my politics from a few reviews here and there is breathtaking arrogance. I have criticised quality of writing and art in my reviews. This is perfectly normal. You liked this comic: good for you. I didn't, and I explained why. That you can't accept a difference of opinion without resorting to being offensive speaks very ill of you.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 3, 2022

  An ad hominem is when someone discredits an argument by insulting the character of the person who they are arguing with. I didn't present a contention with your argument,and so I wasn't trying to discredit your argument. I was just slinging an insult because I think you can be obnoxious. I'm open and honest about my intentions.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 3, 2022

  I do like to think I'm pretty progressive, but I don't consider myself a keyboard warrior. That would imply that either of us are important, when we're not. I do attack people for being politically offensive, and you are.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 3, 2022

  That's not arrogance, that's observation. I just wish that people were upfront about what they actually think, instead of obfuscating it and then getting mad when someone calls them on it.

  

  Hex - Oct 3, 2022

  When most of your engagement on your reviews in either comments or likes are from the known racists and bigots you really don't have a leg to stand on in regards to "you don't know my politics". You may not be saying who you are for directly but you don't leave room for any other inference.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 3, 2022

  This could be solved so quickly by this guy just giving a brief explanation of his politics. Like, "I don't like misogyny and here's why!" Instead he just claims we don't know what his big brain thinks and refuses to elaborate further.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  Hex, you are completely wrong, and you know it. Nice to see you ganging up once again with Amazing Psycomorean, however! Funny how you even noticed this! Hmmm. Bullies do tend have a gang of hangers on.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  Amazing Psycomorean, what drivel. I have previously engaged with you and outlined some of my political views, and you ignored it. Nonetheless, here we go again... I am a UK trade unionist, who believes in racial, sexual and gender equality. I vote on the economic left, and for social liberty. I don't know what country you are in, but assuming it is the USA, then I am very far to the left of the Democrats. Interesting that you have assumed my sex and/or gender, by the way. Very progressive!

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  Oh, and please don't try to lecture me on what an ad hominem attack is. It comes from Latin, and is an abbreviation of, "argumentum ad hominem," which translates as, "argument to the person." What this means is that the person making an ad hominem argument ignores the points made and instead attacks the person making them. That is exactly what you did.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  You have chosen to read into what I have written, but that doesn't mean that your reading is correct. I think that this was a badly written comic, and so I said as much. That doesn't mean that I am a racist/imperialist/misogynist... or any other slur that you choose to throw at me. It just means that I think the writing is poor: which is what I said.

  

  Hex - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  I follow him & get updates through the site. It is a normal function. He was right, so I backed him up. Also, I really don't think I'm wrong because you regularly have RedK, Merlyn (had), and SenpaiFenix interacting with your reviews in a positive way. They are all outspoken bigots that never tried to hide who they were and just did exactly what you are doing in getting called out for it. Projecting onto everyone else & try to spin the narrative that, "the progressives won't let me be ignorant!"

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  Here's a radical idea for you: why not read what has been written, rather than decide that actually it is code for something else? Of course, that would mean that there were far fewer opportunities to try and bully people, and I know that would be unpleasant for you.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  Hex, your argument is ludicrously flawed. I do not control who likes or comments on my reviews. Please also furnish me with examples of where I have written something racist.

  

  Hex - Oct 3, 2022

  If you are placing yourself in an agreeable position to racists and bigots, then maybe you should be more careful about what you write.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  Hex, that is such a poor argument! You really are clutching at straws. As I said, show me where I have written something racist.

  

  Hex - Oct 3, 2022

  My apologies, I wasn't trying to call you a racist, I was just speaking in hyperbole there. Racists just seem to like you and like them when called out for saying something disagreeable, you are practicing the same tactics that they do. Sorry to have to spell that out.

  

  Hex - Oct 3, 2022

  How is if bad people like you then there is a common thread in your words and rhetoric a poor argument?

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  This is ridiculous. I have no control over who likes my reviews. You are practising a witch hunt. I have repeatedly asked you for evidence of my alleged racism (which you very clearly imply) and you have failed to provide any. You should be ashamed of yourself

  

  Hex - Oct 3, 2022

  Here I sit. Ashamed that I practiced hyperbole.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022 (edited)

  Oh, and as to, "saying something disagreeable," I would also like to know what constitutes, "disagreeable". I said that this comic was badly written. You may disagree, but I fail to see how that is, "disagreeable," unless you believe that people are not entitled to their own aesthetic values.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  You tried to cast me as a racist, but failed to provide any evidence. In essence, you libeled me. Now you try to use sarcasm to hide that.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 3, 2022

  If you cannot see that it is a poor argument to say that I must agree politically with people who liked a comic review I wrote, then you are in need of more help than I can provide on the internet. I'll say it again: where is the evidence - in what I wrote, and therefore have control over - of me being racist?

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 3, 2022

  If those are your politics, you are center left on any reasonable scale, and perfectly capable of falling into the trappings and rhetoric of the comicsgate crowd that always seem to agree with you. Ad hominem only works if I was trying to disprove your points, but I wasn't. It was an insult. You cry bully a lot, if you need evidence of it, just check your own comments here. You thrive in the rhetoric of the right. Good on you for voting the bare minimum, I guess.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  What an incredibly disingenuous response. You and Hex have exposed yourselves for what you are.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  It was completely genuine. Cry bully more.

  

  Hex - Oct 4, 2022

  I've tried to expose and belittle bigots and those that associate with them ever since I got here. This is nothing new. You got mad at the idea of, "The Colonizer" a villain written by John fucking Ridley. Big mad.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022 (edited)

  So, no examples of any racism from me then? What a surprise! I didn't, "g[et] mad at the idea of, 'The Colonizer'". That's arrant nonsense, which is completely unsupported by what I wrote. I didn't get mad at anything; I criticised the quality of the writing, which was clumsy. You can keep trying to justify your unjustified attack on me all you like, but your justifications are pathetic.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022 (edited)

  I'll ask for it again: give me examples of where I have written something racist.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  Look, going through your reviews, it's clear that you may just be incredibly dumb and easily lose the point even if your intentions aren't so bad. You may think yourself to be super left leaning, but literally everything you write only supports the worst the comics community has to offer.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  Amazing Psycomorean, you are completely disingenuous. You also misrepresent what 'ad hominem' means: it is an attack on the person, not the argument. Your defence that it was just an insult hardly does you credit. You are a bully, because you attack people, not arguments. That is almost a textbook definition. You also show startling lack of political understanding if you think someone who is far to the left of the Democrats is, "centre left"...

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  Look at your review of Son of Kal-El #2. You had a totally bad faith reading of everything in that issue, and your review was lauded by the actual racists and bigots on the site.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  ...I believe in public ownership of all national infrastructure, for example, which puts me to the left of the British Labour Party (which is well to the left of the Democrats).

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  The Labour Party is not as left as the Dems at this point, mostly because they've kowtowed to the far right surge in your horrible island nation. You are economically left. Okay, sure. Are you socially left, which is what all the talk of this issue would be about?

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  I thought you were just a right-winger, using lefty aesthetics. But no, you might just be very stupid.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  You (and then Hex, leaping to your support) made a crass and ill-informed attack on my review of a comic, which was entirely based on the quality of the writing in that comic, and nothing more. When I challenged you for that, you threw up lots of smoke and mirrors to try and obfuscate, and then you decided to say that you were just insulting me, as if that was a perfectly good thing to do. Your desperate attempts to try and save face are embarrassing. An adult admits when they are wrong.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  You'd think by my total admission to it, that you'd have learned that insulting someone is something I'm completely okay with doing. Insults are good, I like insults. I said as soon as you responded that I was insulting you. I didn't decide later that that's what it was. I own that I insulted you, and I'd only feel bad for it if this entire argument didn't give an abundance of credence to the claim that you are obnoxious.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  Amazing Psycomorean, pretty well all political scientists agree that the Labour Party is to the left of the Democrats, and has consistently been so. I notice your use of racism in your comments about my, "horrible island nation." The irony is hilarious that you choose to make such overtly racist comments in this context. Please explain how the Labour Party has, "kowtowed to the far right". This should be good! Yes, I am economically left wing, and as already pointed out, socially liberal.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022 (edited)

  Disagreeing with you about the quality of writing in a comic doesn't make me, "very stupid," but your consistent rudeness does make you an objectionable person.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  "Look , going through your reviews, it's clear that you may just be incredibly dumb and easily lose the point even if your intentions aren't so bad. You may think yourself to be super left leaning, but literally everything you write only supports the worst the comics community has to offer." You are breathtakingly arrogant.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  Just act like a grown up for once, and say, "I'm sorry, I misrepresented you." Only someone with a very fragile ego would do otherwise.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  "Look at your review of Son of Kal-El #2. You had a totally bad faith reading of everything in that issue, and your review was lauded by the actual racists and bigots on the site." Again, disagreeing with your view of a comic doesn't make me wrong. I've already addressed the fallaciousness of the idea that someone who may hold political views I disagree with liking a comic review I wrote makes me a racist. What, in that review was racist?

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022 (edited)

  "Amazing Psyca*morean, pretty well all political scientists agree that the Labour Party is to the left of the Democrats, and has consistently been so." This is a more recent development. Very recent. Here's an article wherein a graph exists that puts the Labour Party to the slight right of US Dems: https://www.ft.com/content/d5f1d564-8c08-4711-b11d-9c6c7759f2b8

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022 (edited)

  "I notice your use of racism in your comments about my, "horrible island nation." The irony is hilarious that you choose to make such overtly racist comments in this context." I don't think of the UK as a racially homogeneous country. And I'm fine with saying what I said. The UK is a terrible country. You can always speak ill of the state. I said nothing of the people, but you've been a really bad impression. If you're on the left, the idea that the UK is a horrible nation should be obvious.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  "Please explain how the Labour Party has, "kowtowed to the far right". This should be good!" Well, Kier Starmer just gave a speech where he said that the Labour party was now the party of the center-ground. He also played to nationalism by singing the national anthem, which hasn't happened in a long time in Labour spaces.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  They also wanted to keep in place a points-based immigration system, but promised it would simply "be different" from the current points-based system the conservatives put into place. This is a move to appeal to the centrists and disaffected right-wing voters. A move towards the right. A form of kowtowing to the far-right. This is what politics is now, so they've adapted to the ceded ground.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  "Yes, I am economically left wing, and as already pointed out, socially liberal." You might want to define socially liberal in this context. It could be something as obnoxious as color-blindness, after all.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  "Disagreeing with you about the quality of writing in a comic doesn't make me, "very stupid," but your consistent rudeness does make you an objectionable person." Wrong, and wrong.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  ""Look , going through your reviews, it's clear that you may just be incredibly dumb and easily lose the point even if your intentions aren't so bad. You may think yourself to be super left leaning, but literally everything you write only supports the worst the comics community has to offer." You are breathtakingly arrogant." Well, shouldn't I be?

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  "Just act like a grown up for once, and say, "I'm sorry, I misrepresented you." Only someone with a very fragile ego would do otherwise." Why would I apologize for something you haven't actually proven that I've done.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  ""Look at your review of Son of Kal-El #2. You had a totally bad faith reading of everything in that issue, and your review was lauded by the actual racists and bigots on the site." Again, disagreeing with your view of a comic doesn't make me wrong. I've already addressed the fallaciousness of the idea that someone who may hold political views I disagree with liking a comic review I wrote makes me a racist. What, in that review was racist?" This is pretty much the crux of the issue here.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  You have to consider what you're saying. If all you do is appeal to the right-wing through your reviews that are your stated thoughts, then maybe you are not as far left as you think you are. It's not just one review here and there, it's constant. You don't provide a critique that lends itself to leftist ideas, while attacking left-leaning politics in comics consistently. You might be as leftist as they come, but that's not how you're perceived.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  So, at the very least, you should consider that maybe you should be formulating your thoughts in a way that doesn't lend credence to your supposed political opponents in a space that is drowning in those types of people. You seem to be thinking about this very rigidly, maybe look at it from a broader angle.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

  You are an idiot. I'm done.

  

  Psycamorean - Oct 4, 2022

  10/10 reply.

  

  Valiant Son - Oct 4, 2022

• 8.5
  

  Hailey

  Sep 07, 2022

  Very much needed change of pace for this book, actually feels focused in T'challa ironically since it also plays like an Avengers issue... And actually good one.

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  Screaming Enigma

  Feb 26, 2024

  I don't think this was up to the heights of the beginning of this run's first arc, but I thought this was an improvement over the last few issues. Although I do believe some stuff with The Colonialist is a little on the nose, but that didn't take away from my enjoyment of this book too much. Hopefully this storyline can build upon some of the interesting ideas from the aforementioned previous arc and use them a little more effectively than that arc did.

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  Valiant Son

  Sep 11, 2022

  T'Challa speaks for the reader on p.7, when he says, "There is none of this about which I am feeling good at all." If Ridley wishes to write a story that is an allegory of European colonialism (with a side serving of fourth-rate sloganeering feminist critique - the female characters surrounding the antagonist being described as, "...my many beautiful objectifications, who are lovingly misogynized."), then I have no problem. It would be nice, however, if he could do it without being so horrendously obvious and on-the-nose. The antagonist is called, 'The Colonialist' and calls the four Avengers, 'Aryan King' (Thor); 'Jingo Commando' (Captain America); 'Commander Hottie' (Captain Marvel); and 'Negro Feline' (Black Panther). This is poor wr iting. This is very poor writing. On the plus side, the artwork is pleasant enough, if rather undynamic. more

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  DanielRodrigues1905

  Feb 25, 2023

  This looks so racist. I can't support any of this

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