I always flip and forth between Absolute Batman and Superman on which is my favorite to be honest

Did you really call her "it". You're a huge piece of shit.

Did you even read what I wrote???? Love that you jump this. TBH I knew someone like you would. You may as well say "You called someone an asshole??? How dare you you?" Do you understand context? Do you even know what was said? You're a moron but I guess for people like you it can't go both ways right? Trans people are not some protected species immune from insult.

My girlfriend is trans and if she said something like this pos said I'd first break up then call her the same thing. Calling someone who doesn't agree with you a nazi is pretty insulting too but that's ok. Fact is arguing with a POS like you never gets anywhere so or solves anything because your immune to change....which is pretty conservative thinking now that I think about it. Anyhow I'm done. Rant away.

I'm sure your girlfriend would love to know that her basic validity and humanity is contingent on whether or not she agrees with you.

So you deliberately used "it" as an insult. With a trans girlfriend. Okay bud.

He supported Nazis. He was supported by Nazis. He carried Nazi ideals. He was a Nazi. Why don't you tell your girlfriend you called another trans person "it" because they said something you disagreed with and THEN tell them that you'd do that same to them if they had said it. See how that works out for you.

"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi"

Sad nazis make me happy.

I wish the author of this was just a woke man writing a pamphlet comic, but one who respected the death of someone who died brutally and didn't cowardly spew hate speech on social media. That's definitely not a human being.

About this book, just a flop.

So just prove the unfair cancellation of Joe Bennett who did nothing to be canceled with this gratuitous hate spewing.

I think you need to understand what hate speech is. What Gretchen said is not hate speech. What Choo Choo Charles said many times was dangerously close to hate speech which is why the people who actually use it liked him so much.

It was hate speech from the moment she wasn't content with the red plague (that pamphlet-like garbage you praised) and poured hate on a young man who was brutally murdered. She was already writing woke versions of these characters, she should have been content with that, but it didn't sell (and never will, because everything that comes from wokeness is a flop). She looked for another way to get noticed. Charlie was a conservative activist who just wanted to bring a divine word to young people.

And it's very typical of you to claim "she said something stupid at the wrong time" when she simply went one step further than you, when in fact when you called her "it", you actually realized what you had said, and now you want to play social justice warrior in front of your progressive companions just because you no longer have your pamphlet comic (cries more). I hope this is just the beginning and that more pests like her are canceled, we want comics, not red plague.

It's curious that you consider everything from wokeness to be a flop while also insisting people are woke for the sake of profit in other reviews. Also, do your research. Gretchen was a total edgelord who didn't just suddenly say something controversial, which is another reason her firing is suspect. DC had to have known. Charlie Kirk wasn't just a little guy either. He was instrumental in the hate that many people in America now face. He was instrumental in the rise of this Trumpian fascism.

If Jesus were around, he'd have found Charlie and those like him disgraceful. If the gospel were real, there's no doubt Charlie's burning in eternal hellfire right now. He was a propagandist who served the worst of humanity and his wife and friends aren't even sad that he's gone. His corpse is yet another grifting opportunity for these vultures, and I'm sure Charlie would be proud to be another tool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI "Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" No, Nazis are Nazis. Kirk was Nazi scum, and the world is better for every dead Nazi.

Would like to point out that fthissite essentially self-reported on the Nazi front. He brought it up completely out of nowhere. No one called him a Nazi or even insinuated that. I just called him a POS for intentionally misgendering a trans woman with the term, "it". That might be your smoking gun...

Understand, every time you see high ratings for rotten material without even presenting arguments as to why this shit should be praised (even though it is shit), this is clearly a common symptom nowadays that woke people use the most. But these same wokes who praise this shit don't make it something revolutionary. Three years without anything good, from Marvel or DC. We, the minority who don't need agreement for social equality to prevail, you depend on it.

In your logic, the red plague deserves salvation, and a conservative doesn't. But you forgot one thing: THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Judgment is coming!

Sorry buddy. You missed the rapture. I'm SURE they missed you.

Absolute version for this comic would be INSANE! I’d buy it in a heartbeat

Oh totally my friend. I've been slowly buying them all. The best way to read the classics. My Absolute All Star Superman just arrived. It's beautiful.

Congrats, That’s a great pickup! All-Star Superman is an all timer. I’ve got the absolute editions of Batman Year One, Court of Owls, Death of the Family, Killing Joke and I’m planning on buying more such as Swamp Thing by Alan Moore, Mister Miracle by Tom King and Watchmen. Without a doubt my favourite way of reading comicbooks.

Sweet collection mate! I want the Mister Miracle one next. What a story. When Tom King is good, he's one of the best.

Shocking.

what were one of your favorite parts in this issue?

Pretty much everything. I loved it all.

What was the subtext you didn't like?

This comic would have been far better received by me had DC not made the deceptive renumbered issue #1. This clearly is just a continuation of the last series of Batman comics.

Agreed - I had a similar issue with the new Fantastic Four #1, it’s like these publishers have forgotten what a number one issue means.

AMEN! They definitely do not have any respect for us as readers, since the renumbering is nothing more than a sales push. It also diminishes the integrity of the hobby. Like people can point out the absolute groundbreaking debut of Joker and Catwoman’s first appearance in the original Batman issue #1. Or so many other notable stories from specific issue numbers over the years. Like I could mention a classic like Batman #232 and many would know the story I was referring to.

They do a new #1 for onboarding reasons. This has been done for decades. You're acting like this is new and somehow confusing. I get it, with age you lose your mental faculties but damn guys. Remember, comics are meant to cater to children. Pushing issue 232 in front of a kid instead of #1 even if the quality is better, a newcomer will gravitate to the #1. It's a marketing tactic as well as a way to delineate Fraction's start from the Zdarsky/Loeb runs. Marvel has done this far more than DC.

It sucks that something like this controversy is the only real reason people thought to pick up a Red Hood book. Jason and Helena never get treated right by the family or the fans.

Hex - Helena was a great character in Mariko Tamaki's Detective Comics. I would even say that she has had a better time in recent years than Tim, for example, and even Barbara (who became a lampshade in Nightwing). And many Huntress fans didn't want Helena in this comic because the reason she was there was to support Jason, a character with whom she never exchanged a word (I think).

This issues reminded me a lot of Morrison’s first issue of Batman.

I think Snyder also had a weak finish

Oh dude, 100%. I wasn't even the biggest fan of Endgame. Everything after that was such a let down.

Issue 48 is of Snyders run is a classic for me. But to each his own.

I liked endgame, but the dullness started to creep. Overall i find the run fascinating and i like the discusion around it , but half of the arcs even from the start were not that great. I geniunly think city of owls is a spectacularly bad fumble.

I'm one of the few that didn't hate the Thomas Wayne Jr. aspect. I found it compelling especially in a world that for all we really knew, it was a reboot. It was fresh for the time though hindsight has shown that Lincoln Marsh was nothing special. Snyder kind of had a JJ Abrams thing going where he had this interesting idea but no real end to the thread. He did it with Marsh, did it with the Pale Man. Both cool ideas that fizzled because he either had no real end goal with it or DC said no.

Isn't Thomas Wayne Jr. originally a silver age invention? The Boomerang Killer?

I honestly also did not dislike Lincolm. I understood it's place in the story and what it tried to say and as psycamorean said it was an interesting homage to the silver age, making it seem like the future of the batman's comics would be very different than what it was before(albeit Morisson did similar things). What i disliked is how it was revealed. Not even in the sense that lincolm was sus from the start, but the exposition dump while the grandiose brawl was going.

The court of owls for me was such a creeping, well build experience, while city of owls felt disjoined, at times rushed and it was almost like skipping chapters for me personally. I liked the message. It made a great thesis for the whole run, but even that felt weird in its delivery as the ending was such a departure of what i liked previously.

Yes he was but in regards to the N52 being a semi-reboot and it being so far removed from that Silver Age incarnation, it felt fresh. I had also just seen Crisis on Two Earths with Owl Man as Thomas Wayne Jr. so that helped at the time.

Hi guys, I love the discussion around this. Sorry for being 2 weeks. For me personally, I finished Scott Snyder's run 5 years ago before the lockdown hit (wow, that was AGES ago), so for me comparing Snyder's ending to Tom King, James Tynion IV, Joshua Williamson, and Chip Zdarsky..... yeah lets just say that's Snyder's ending felt like The Dark Knight compared to them

and while it does have faults, especially with The Death of the Family, I think I appreciate how Scott Snyder at least tried something new and risky similar to Morrison compared to Zdarsky who just kind of hoped on the Zur-En-Arrh idea.

again, there are a lot of comic book runs that are better than Snyder's run on Batman. Al Ewing's immortal hulk, Jason Aaron's Thor, Hickman's Avengers and Fantastic Four, Bendis Ultimate Spider-Man, Geoff Johns Green Lantern, Zdarsky's Daredevil, Morrison's Batman, Animal Man and Doom Patrol. But if you were to ask me what's my favorite modern run of all time, it would be Scott Snyder Batman. I just liked his voice for Bruce Wayne/Batman, even with all the exposition

i know i am in the huge minority but i like actually liked the death of the family, for me it's up there with the best arcs of the run and actually made a point that later got developed and it was a more substantial one than ''Gotham is a mystery'' which was the takeaway from previous one. As far as voices go, i like a lot of voices for bats, but for me it's morisson. It just feels the more layered voice, the most complete one, without it being out of character.

But i would admit that you could take every artist that worked with morisson and capullo would still blow them out of the water

Morrison had some great artists. Andy Kubert. JH Williams III, Chris Burnham. Frank Quietly. Tony Daniel’s art looked rushed though. So Batman RIP is brought down by that.

Morisson really did have a number of great artist and he utilized them to a great extent fitting what the different nature of his stories. But Capullo literally changed styles story to story, he showed so much diversity to his brush that i dont think that it could be even a question while still maintaing consistency. Even if the story was iffy, his art made it better. I never cared who drew for morisson, but with Snyder i was reading for Capullo at some points.