Was next issue delayed?

I'm not sure. It was to come out in January but the 30th seems like it was pushed a few weeks later. Maybe because it's an oversized 400th issue? Jesus Saiz does need time to do his art so that's fine with me just keep him on as long as you can.

It's still listed as January 30th on Marvel's website.

OK good.

I actually think those with PTSD will be the most insulted with how he depicts it.

Some are, some aren’t. That’s the nature of any art that’s trying to do something other than what’s come before. I’m bipolar 1 with major depression, major anxiety, and PTSD. I find King’s writing about trauma to be the most true to my experience of just about any artist out there this side of Beckett or Elliott Smith. But I almost always go out of my way to say that my take is my take and that anyone can reasonably disagree with it.

Or Sarah Kane. I could go on. Most of the writers I identify with are playwrights or songwriters. I identify with King's work more than any other comic book writer.

Even so, editing to address your point.

I respect your opinion, but Bruce isn’t currently more traumatized than before Kings run. What happened: Catwoman broke up with him, so what?Its not like he doesn’t have countless women, I think King doesn’t understand, that Bruce doesn’t have just 1love. Then Dick, worse happened before with Jason being dead. It’s nothing new for Bruce. He thought Stephanie& Tim died, nothing happened. Point is he can deal with all of that, but King doesn’t understand that.

We get that Batman is traumatized, it just didn't feel particularly earned. And I say that as someone who has had to deal with it too. He's dealt with so much, but it takes Catwoman leaving him at the alter (which shouldn't traumatize anyone, especially considering that relationship was the equivalent of two teenagers finding out sex is fun) and his son being shot (when far worse has happened to his robins before).

The character needs to go through some heavy shit and Nightwing getting shot is heavy until you look at Batman’s history and that he's dealt with similar things before.

I'm not even going to give credence to the Bat/Cat relationship. I always thought it was a joke. And had theorized among friends that they were going to realize they are in a juvenile relationship and don't actually love each other like they think and that was going to be the sad ending.

It wasn't just amother relationship though, it was an engagement, and these characters have 80 years worth of stories together so amounting it to just finding out what sex is... is your personal ignorance of the history of these characters.

Not to mention, real relationships don't cease when an outside source has an opinion on whether or not it is legit. If that were true almost nobody would actually be in a relationship. Everyone has different ideas of what makes a relationship, so... if it really were entirely intimate and sexual, that would be their choice. It doesn't make their relationship any less valuable if it isn't traditional, they clearly share an emotional connection though.

Also, as someone who is almost always depressed I can say anger is definitely one of the emotions that comes out the strongest. I am usually the chillest mofo, but after years of heart break, death, and things just generally not going my way... my temper has come out a lot more, especially if you have no outlet.

That's how it was written. This isn't a real relationship. So the reader's interpretation does actually matter. And that's what it was like. It was like two kids. And intimacy doesn't equal sex. And I don't give a shit if they have 80 years of history. This run should be able to give me a good reason why these two work on its own, and it doesn't. I'm not ignorant of their history, I just know that what I read was not making the relationship work.

The only time I ever felt anything for that relationship was the second Batman annual, which is presumably not canon now, so that's nice.

It did. It was called Rooftops and Batman Annual #2.

Rooftops, which was basically just them fighting crime and fucking? And Batman annual 2,the non-canonical annual that doesn't happen.

If my relationship was like Bat/Cat, I'd call it quits.

I think the past experiences in that annual aren't meant to be exclusive to that story, just the outcome. It seems to be a different world where the marriage went through.

Well maybe they would've grown to be a happy couple. But it would've been the ending to the graduate at first if this relationship was at all realistic.

Yes, because out of all the women Batman has been with over the decades, Catwoman is the only one who also dresses up and truly lives at night, like him. If Batman is the stronger identity she makes the most sense for him. Kind of like ages ago when he was attracted to Nocturna because she was a woman of the night, he chose her over Vicki Vale, who is the girl he gets along with as Bruce, but the moment Catwoman shows back up in Gotham, he quickly realizes

that she is the most exciting woman to him by far and he doesn't have to hide any part of his life from her.

Just your description sounds juvenile. "Most exciting". A thrill seeking relationship is always a positive and nurturing one.

Well, he is Batman, so... you know my words, not his. He is visibly way into everything about her. Also, excitement is a part of attraction.

I couldn't list anything. She's a femme fatale without anything intriguing about them.

Well, good thing you aren't Batman then.

But I'm the reader who's supposed to be invested in this shitty relationship. So maybe I should understand it, at least.

There's an audience here. That's a writer is supposed to play to. Batman isn't a friend I think is in a bad relationship.

Writers who specifically pander to readers are just writers with a weak backbone. If you want to read a Batman book where you control the narrative, you can write one yourself and probably get the same experience.

There's a difference between a writer that just panders and a writer who writes a story that readers can understand and identify with.

Building and relationship and making it feel earned isn’t pandering and King failed to do that. He depended on a huge history, most of which isn’t even in continuity. That’s lazy writing.

@Br‘er Lapin And yet Bruce once chose Bekka over Catwoman& don’t forget Talia or Silver. He had many women with whom he shared a similar connection like to Selina, zu point is he never trusted any of them enough or was willing to put them first. Gotham/ Batman is his first, That’s why this whole wedding thing feels out of character& more like fanservice. I agree with the others, that it just lazy written. It also feels wrong for Holly to be a psycho mass murderer King wrote her as.

I have a lot more to say about the Bat-Cat relationship. May take a few days for me to get around to it but I feel like one of the most important exchanges in this run was between Bruce and Alfred. Bruce says something like, "Can I be happy?" Alfred says something like, "After all you've been through, don't you have to be?" The major difference between Catwoman and all the other women in Bruce's life is that he finally let his guard down in a way he'd never been able before.

He hadn't been able to do that (at all) before. He shared everything with her and was surprised to find she'd still love him, warts and all. This was unprecedented and I think the main point of King's run has been "can Batman be happy?" He gave himself over to her in a way he never did before. That makes every difference.

As for being through all this sort of stuff before, repeated trauma works by attrition. It doesn't get easier, especially for someone with such a hard time expressing his feelings. It gets harder. Every loss brings back every loss before it. To lose his "first son" as he did so soon after what happened with Selina... He was already more distraught than he's been since his parents were killed.

I realize I said I didn't have time but then wrote a lot. But that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of responding to other comments here. More later...

When I say he was already more distraught I mean by the attrition of all prior losses (they all come back, every time) and too finding out that he could be happy and then having that yanked away from him. He's not a guy that gets relief from talking his problems over with his "family." He's a stiff upper-lip guy. After enough trauma that just breaks.

With Bekka he let his guard way more down than he ever did with Selina, because he himself admitted it. He pointed out back then, that Bekka is the one woman, who could save him& the one, who understood him best. And honestly the way King wrote these two there is nothing that shows us any reason, why Selina suddenly is so special to him. And this „Can Bruce be happy?“ doesn’t work for me, since the question rather is, does he deserve to be happy? I don’t think so.

He himself hurt many people& it’s his responsibility, that Jason was killed. The reason why he isn’t happy, isn’t because he doesn’t have chances, he can’t take them, because he never overcame his trauma. But other than sone villains Bruce had many chances& more importantly people, who stood by his side. Overall Bruce has a good life& not just because he is rich, but also because he always had a family, who believed in him. But he doesn’t see that at all& keeps whining about loosing his parents.

When Selina told him in his letter, that he was still a child, that’s the one true thing King wrote.

If you see Bruce as having had a good life, I have to question your understanding of the character. If you see him as "whining" about losing his parents, that goes double. I do agree his emotional life has been retarded by trauma and his inability to seek help for it, so yes, in ways he's totally still a child. He's still the child he was when the initial trauma occurred. I don't think Selina called him a child though as much as she said 'you're still that little boy' or whatever....

In Jungian analysis when I've talked about any rotten, recurring feeling, my analyst has always responded with, "Do you remember the first time you felt that way?" The answer to that is always enlightening because many of us develop our emotional lives in response to an originating trauma. Nobody that talks about early trauma is ever "whining." I never want to be disagreeable here but as someone with a lot of early trauma I found that comment disturbing.

In comparison to other characters& also to real life people Bruce of course has a good life. Apart from losing his parents, did he ever receive negativity? He was always supported by people like Alfred/ Leslie, he wasn’t abused by people, he should be able to trust, while other characters were. He isn’t the character with the most traumatic past. That’s my point. I’d call him whining, because he still thinks, that he has the most traumatic past of all. What is common among people,

who are suffering from a depression. That only shows, that he is far away from actually moving on. Compared to people let’s say who are living in Africa it’s complaining in a very high level. You of course can’t make a ranking of trauma, but yes his constant whining about his parents gets really annoying. I could deal with it, if he wasn’t such a hypocrite.

As for Selina I think she reversed it in a later line, but she is right with that. Bruce is still living in the past, unwilling to see, that what he is doing also isn’t 100% right.

"Though my problems are meaningless, that don't make them go away." Everyone can point to another person's problems as being more serious or drastic than anyone else. The fact that someone has it worse doesn't make things better for the person that has it very bad. We fundamentally disagree on what's meant by the character (always evolving) since Denny O'Neil began psychologically profiling him in the 70s. You can have the last word. Peace.

I will say I find your depiction of depressing very distressing. I'll be uncharacteristically tame when I say it's a shame some people still think of clinical depression as whining. But you do you.

*depression, not "depressing"

Batman has never been shown as clinically depressed until Kong’s run though. He’s motivated and driven by his past trauma but he’s never come off as clinically depressed until now. That makes the constant referencing to it in this run out of character. It’s been addressed before but never this poorly and for this long.

@Batman Jones, we don’t talk depression in real life, we are talking about Bruce‘s character. Therefore I can call him whining, that however doesn’t mean, I would call a person, who suffers from depression in real life a whiner. No need to make that personal. Sure they don’t, but neither does self-pity.

&Talon1load I agree, I however think Batman is acting more like a teenager in Kings run, who can’t get over, that his girlfriend broke up with him. It just doesn’t fit Bruce, that this bothers him so much. Even that with Dick. His psychological problems were a lot better adressed in Bruce Wayne Murderer/ Fugitive.

I agree. King failed to show any meaningful progression in the Batman Catwoman relationship making it feel unearned. Since they haven’t been a couple in years it needed more buildup. Then the breakup just felt like it wasn’t a big deal but Bruce is now shattered? Nah man. This entire runs progression is lacking.

I agree. Same goes for Catwoman. She also isn’t that dependable. And as for me I would expect more of Bane. Ruining Bruce’s wedding feels cheap for him. In Detective Comics Bruce acts normal, but in Kings Batman run he is acting all weird.

Batman has never been as emotionally depressed as his is in this run. That's true, it's also not a knock on his character, it only serves to humanize him like never before. You cant say it's out of character, you've never seen batmans' heartbroken romantically by Catwoman (obvious true love) this hard. So not one of you can say how Bruce would react, and to be honest he definitely has not been as much of a pussy as he was in Nightfall.

You keep saying Batmans "whiny" also... yet all I see is him being colder, tightlipped, and more serious. Hes hurt, angry, sad, and to be honest hes doing a good job NOT whining. Unlike most of you.

Also you just compared Catwoman drama with a high school break up... this perfectly demonstrates how out of touch you are. Have you not loved a woman more than life itself? I could give a shit about my HS girlfriend, cant even remember her name to be honest with you. You obviously lack maturity, or are underdeveloped emotionally.

Also King cant fail at progressing the Catwoman/Batman relationship... since he never had intentions to do so. Or did that go over your head also? We got something way more interesting then wedding pictures, we got drama... lots of it.

Cosigned. Thanks for posting.

The Bat/Cat played out like a high school romance. King's writing never made it look anything like true love. We're not literally saying that's what it was. We're not saying characters reacted that way to it. We're saying that's how it was written, and that's why none of the reactions to that relationship and its break up feel earned. If the love of my life and I had the relationship that Batman and Catwoman, it'd be a sad existence for me.

And every time someone writes characters or their relationship, they're adding to a bigger tapestry, so King actually did progress those characters' relationship, he just didn't do anything good or anything that would make new readers latch onto these characters.

Oh, and idk if I'd call Batman whiny, but he's clearly letting his emotions get the best of him through his actions and it's deepening the divide between himself and those he's closest, or did that fly over your head?

It's like um.... NO, heh. It's not written like a High School drama, this is not based on some superficial crush, there are much much bigger and more important things to worry about than a teenage girl running home in the rain crying... So you can like...talk to the hand.

Also my point was it was not his intention to make big moves with the Bat/Cat relationship, He just used the opportunity to pay homage (and give Bane a sick plan), which was done in an awesome way, it had me going through all my old Catwoman/Batman comics... this should be great for getting new readers interested in what's already happen, there was so much history written into his story, it's just silly to say new readers wouldn't like it, its literally showing what's already canon, it should en

And no, it did not go over my head that Bruce might be letting his emotions get the best of him, or that he may be deepening the divide between those hes closest to. Hes still not whining though, what's your point.

***entice new readers

It felt superficial. The most they did was fuck. The most teenager example of that is when Catwoman straddled Batman in that amusement park. They never really talked much, remember the Poison Ivy story where Catwoman just kept talking and talking while Batman said almost nothing. And all it took to destroy this relationship was some last minute doubt? That's true love if I've ever seen it.

And paying homage isn't enough. I don't want to have to read back issues to enjoy the story as it's presented. The "they have so much history" argument is shitty. Any comic can be someone's first, so you have to make it work on its own. Simple as that. And no, DC has no concrete canon, that's the whole point of the varying stories of how Batman and Catwoman met. So good luck with that.

Punching your friends and beating people is worse than whining. So I don't think we should give him credit for not whining. That's just stupid.

All they did was fuck? Forget all the letters, forget how they reveal themselves to each other like never before, let's just forget all the wonderful reminiscing, and beautiful art. Fuck it, Tom King had em fuck... yep, just like new 52 Catwoman, they just fucked... yep yep yep. You know Selina loves Holly also... that's true love aswell, it actually makes sense, and it makes even more sense once you realize she's just being played. It's not just some whimsical last minute decision.

Paying Homage is enough, this is possibly the greatest superhero couple ever, they have almost 80 years of history, it was practically overdue. I felt as if this entire run was worth while just for the paying of homage between Cat/Bat. Even if the climax of this run fizzles out, I'll still appreciate the story he told between them. Also, no one said you "have" to read the back issues for Kings story to make sense. I only said it serves to entice people, it'll only enrich everything after that.

As for this non sequitur you're going on about. He still isnt spending his time whining, if you wanna not give him credit for not whining... fine who gives a shit, the fact remains.... hes not whining and those other guys said he was, they are wrong. He punched Gordon... its fucked up... yyyyyeeeeeaaaahhhhhhh.

The letters that have been repeated by more than just Catwoman and Batman, meaning it wasn't special. They revealed themselves like never before? Sure. And reminiscing? You mean the filler issues? And the writing has nothing to do with the art. Catwoman didn't know she was being played, she saw her best friend, another true lover, seed doubt uncharacteristically, but sure you love someone and can't tell when they're acting weird.

Paying homage is enough for you as a fanboy. Not for someone like me and many others. And the character motivations are not presented well enough for anything to feel earned. And you and so many others keep going on about their 80 year history, so sorry for thinking I would have to. It's your go to defense.

He's whining with hos fists, which is more destruction and upsetting for his friends and family, I'm sure.

*his fists

The writing has nothing to do with the art? Have you ever read a comicbook script? Hard to take you seriously. Also Holly is clearly a sociopath, lying is not hard for them, yes people are fooled by thier lovers at times, its RL bro. You probably keep hearing the same arguments because so many people feel as I do and were actually satisfied. Bruce was the one that was more motivated from the get go, he had a near death experience, he freed Catwoman, he clearly wanted to love like a normal person

So yeah his emotional unrest... it does feel earned. I really do feel like Bruce wanted something, came really close to having it, watched it all evaporate quickly away as the ground below him started to crumble, and he just cant seem to put the pieces together. Not surprised if he starts acting out of character... it's like the point.

You know whining is typically a feeble act also... when Bruce lashes out it's not over some "feeble" bullshit. There is something seriously wrong in his city, he feels it but cant figure it out. It was a great way to show us how lost Batman is right now, and how frightening Bane is. He didnt whine with his fists, he lost control with them, and for good reason.

I can separate the art from the writing. There's some masterfully drawn comics with shit writing. Civil War 2 is an example of that. And there are amazingly written comics with horrible art. I think Dan Slott's She-Hulk is a good example of that. Both can enhance the other, but I don't give credit to the writer for the artist's work or vice versa. Holly might be a sociopath, but she's not doing it for her own manipulative reasons, she's doing it for Bane. She's not acting of her own accord.

Plus, Catwoman knows her and should know about her tendencies. So yeah, still not buying it. Even if my best friend tried to get me to doubt someone I truly loved, I wouldn't. But Catwoman was easily swayed.

And the argument is shit, no matter who parrots it. I don't give a shit if fanboys love it because of all the other things they've read that inform it. It needs to stand on its own. I've explained this like four times, see if you can finally figure it out, champ.

Catwoman is about as normal as a flying pig.

The whole premise is fucked by the unbelievability being present from the start. It only feels earned if I can believe that anything about that relationship was genuine and not just two children giving into lust.

I don't think this mystery would perplex Batman to the point of anger. I think he'd just keep being a detective and keep trying to figure it out. That's what Batman does. And what's been sorely missing from this run.

Art is subjective. Every personal response to it is valid. That's the first rule of any art form, including comics. @YourGreenMuse: comments like "the argument is shit" are very unwelcome in the comments section of any review I post. I encourage disagreement because it's inherent to any controversial art but if you can't disagree without being disagreeable please take it somewhere else. More...

I do realize this is an internet comments section where manners go to die but if people can't disagree without being nasty and without allowing for other opinions, I guess the only recourse I'll have is to stop reviewing here. If so, that's fine too. Whenever I review a comic I love there are people that can't help tearing the book down in comments section and that takes all the joy out of reading comics for me. So if that's what I need to do, I won't miss posting here at all.

If you take a moment to notice, I do post to reader's reviews that I disagree with, but I don't tell others their opinions are wrong. I only add my own opinions. But I do that with the allowance that the opposing opinion is every bit as valid as my own. If anyone thinks their opinion is objectively right, they misunderstand art in a fundamental way. Art is always subjective. Debates about it are both boring and boorish to me. Again, I don't mind disagreeing; I mind being disagreeable.

My subjective opinion is that stories should be able to stand on their own. The reason I was so disagreeable is because I've said this multiple times here and it's still brought up like somehow my opinion is going to change.

I'm not stopping anyone from having differing opinions than me. I'm just not going to change mine for the sake of agreeableness. I don't care what you do or do not do. It's all up to you. But if you're going to post on a public forum, you need to expect disagreements. Also, I'd like to point out Æther started the more personal arguments, yet you cosigned what he said. So I think maybe it does have something to do with someone not sharing your opinion.

Yeah man, Aether started with the personal attacks and you had no problem with that so getting on to someone who has an opinion opposed to yours for doing saying an argument is shit, which is less insulting, is hypocritical.

You can act like you're above it all you want, you can chastise me and anyone else for not being agreeable, I don't care. I don't know how you expected me to respond to you considering quitting the site. Why would I even begin to care? If you want my subjective feelings on it, I think it's an overreaction and a bit of a joke, but you're free to do what you want, just as anyone else on this site.

It wasn't a threat or anything. I know no one cares if I quit reviewing. I've only been doing it the last few months anyway. These kinds of 'debates' take all the joy out of comic books for me. It's not on any one person and it's only my personal experience. Not a threat because who cares if I review. Just saying this stuff takes all the fun out of one of the last things that still brings me joy and I can't have that. Y'all do whatever you want.

This is a drag for me now though so the most I'll likely do in the future is a star rating. I should really just avoid this site entirely. It's not fun for me and it's important to me that the few remaining fun things in my life continue to be so. No hard feelings.

If that's what you want to do, go ahead. It seems like you want people to agree with you, and that's just not going to always happen on any review site.

@Batman Jones I really don’t think you should stop reviewing just because others disagree with you ( your decision of course)& I don’t think they wanted to personally offend you, just discuss about it.. @topic Hush& Heart of Hush both aren’t canon anymore& these are the two stories, that show Selina& Bruce as a couple. Therefore I think King needs to address their connection more. Also Bruce has a similar deep connection to Talia. She just gets overlooked here.

What people forget Bruce isn’t Clark. There isn’t one woman in his life. I think this whole wedding is just fanservice without any sense and of course DCs move to make more money,

Personal attack? Did I say you all smell of ape shit, did I say you have a small dick? What's going on here... you know it's ok to tell someone they lack maturity or to tell them they are having things go over their head... especially when that person is going around comparing Catwoman to a flying pig. Its literally ridiculous.

My so-called "insults" are in direct response to something you said, if you say something dumb, then I'll let you know. I'm not here to insult you, just your dumb ideas, is this really not clear? If you get insulted, you're probably just too attached to your ideas, and it demonstrates why you are struggling so much with disagreement.

Thanks, Æther. You just proved my exact point, buddy. The hypocrisy of Batman Jones. Bravo.

@Aether Talia& Bekka aren’t flying pigs -_-Batman Jones However is right,in a real discussion you indeed talk respectful with the other one without using words like „shit“ ,,fuck“ etc., but I also have no problem with discussing more aggressively. I can deal with both, but I think we should respect, if someone just wants to discuss in a less agressive way.

@BatmanJones Sorry for blowing up your review. These haters just drive me crazy. It really is a nightmare talking to these people, I know exactly how you must feel. I wanted to just walk away myself, but when you love something, what else can you do but fight for it? I appreciate your reviews, and insights. Yeah you may not change these guys minds but your thoughts will always stand in contrast to theirs, who know how many other people that may help or influence.

@Aether Don’t think we are haters for pointing out an opinion. I’ve read most of Batman‘s comics& with Kings run there are just flaws I can’t ignore. Maybe you should learn how to deal with criticism.

Deal with criticism? Is that your way of saying I should just agree with you and shut up? Haters are people with hateful opinions, just like you and many others here, let's not play anymore word games please. I still haven't been convinced by any of these supposed "flaws" Also you can ignore it, you just stop reading, you even said yourself you like DC comic more... how selfish can you be? Did you really think you would like every batman comic ever written? How naive.

Does it occur to you that I hate the new Detective Comics... I almost threw up in my mouth when Tim Drake supposedly died from that drone strike, and Batman only made cry face when he saw that Tim was accepted into some fucking school. I love Batman, but I hate those TV drama moments it was horrible. Still you wont find me spreading my hate over there, throwing it all over the people who happen to love it... why should I pull punches, it's not like you guys are respectable.

You don’t have to agree with me, but I for sure don’t have to let you call me a hater, when I just pointed out my opinion. If you make a review, of course people are going to respond to it. Disagreeing is no hate& by your reaction you definitely have to learn how to take criticism. I would call many characters being out of character, cheap drama, awful repetitive dialogue, bad story telling call flaws. Even so I put it nicely.

If you can’t see these flaws you might have to read more comics. And of course no one will like every comic ever written, but I can criticize if a comic is badly written. King is mediocre at best. With Tynions Detective run I agree, however that story is over since quite a while.

Why are you so upset with the hater thing? Ok Ok, So you dont hate Tom Kings batman comic? You just think they are flawed? And probably overrated? Ok then lol cool. I still think it's more developed than a HS drama, and I'm still gonna argue with you if you say something I dont like. Agree to Disagree.... Again!!!

Also you guys are pretty hypocritical, I usually just argue against your points, and then you tell me something like I need to read more comics or something? It's just like come on man, we just have different taste... as simple as that.

Maybe I have missed that, but I didn’t see any arguments of you against Kings bad dialogue he is often using. He tends to make his character babble over nothing. He did that in Mr Miracle& especially when Joker/ Catwoman were talking. Not to mention, that you ignore what I said about Talia/ Bekka. I told you to read more comics, because you then might would realize that it’s out of character for Bruce to get that crazy just because of a breakup with his girlfriend. Same goes for Dick.

He faced worse& didn’t act all crazy as he does in Kings Batman run. Batman is about emotional Control& that’s why the entire story idea doesn’t make any sense

For me dialogue can only be bad if its totally pointless, nothing has been said without meaning in my mind. He is minimalistic and subtle with his exposition sure, but I cant say that's bad. I need examples, the Catwoman and Joker issue wasnt just pointless babbling. It gave us a lot of insight into how they feel for Batman. Plus it's even more interesting once you realize Joker is in bed with Bane, it's actually pretty fun watching him subtly plant seeds of doubt in Catwomans mind.

I dont think Talia and Bekka are nearly as important to Bruce as Selina. I definitely consider Talia and Bekka Girlfriends... selina is true love though. If you go up to some random person on the street, people know that Batman goes with Catwoman. Even non-fans know this... that's how meant for each other they are. Randoms wont know anything about Talia or Bekka, his first and true love will always be Selina, not Julie Madison. There really is no comparison.

Yeah Batman is about emotional control, but sometimes I think it's important to witness our heroes faulter. Even the toughest of us can be broken, I think this story is for them. I'm looking forward to watching Batman put the pieces back together, regain his composure and come out stronger for it. I think it will be inspiring for a lot of people, it will only be out of character if he doesn't get better. Failing is ok, it's how you recover that counts.

The dialogue was pointless, not to mention awfully written, they were lying on the ground babbling over nothing like about the other villains, what neither fitted those villains nor Joker or Selina. Selina’s& Bruce’s „love“ isnt very deep, if someone like Joker can plant seeds of doubts. Joker also wouldn’t let himself use like thatby Bane. Not to mention that this whole wedding idea was dumb, because they easily could have married as Bruce Wayne& Selina Kyle. These plotholes were created for

cheap drama& to force villains like Joker in it. King also forgot about the Joker Catwoman plot. One issue they were lying on the ground with Catwoman almost dying, next issue she is alright, planning her weeding. That’s bad writing as it best. Then you don’t know Bruce’s character. He himself pointed out, that only Bekka can save him, because she alone understands his struggle in life. In the very same monologue, he put Selina under Bekka. Same goes for Talia. These women were on the same level

For him Pre52& also in Rebirth. In Kings of Fear he just put them on the same level once again. People are saying Catwoman due to her popularity, but those people most of the time don’t know the comics. And neither does King& that’s why he ignores Talia or Bekka.

There were stories were he had an emotional breakdown like in Bruce Wayne murderer or after Death in the Family, but those were better written. The pain King creates for him seems quite common& he actually could deal with it, since he did with worse before.

You and I have not read the same comics. Your emotional ties are nothing at all like mine, it's quite obvious. It has nothing to do with who needs to read what, or someone needs to read more. We all clearly have our own favorite comics we pick out, in a way we all create our own canon. Tom King likes the same Batman comics I do, I guess, hes progressing the stories I like. To me the Batman story in your head sounds pretty convoluted. I like this story, that's all that matters to me.

One man's trash, is another man's treasure... and so on and so forth.

Like I said I’ve read most Batman comics, so I know what I’m talking about. You are missing facts like with Catwoman, but ok let’s leave it at this and agree to disagree here.

so Roy's death is real. it wasn't just some hallucination.

Roys Death also was already adressed in Titans& in an earlier Red Hood issue.

Green Arrow #45 is his funeral issue.

Yes, I appreciate the issues that have dealt with his death in really emotional ways. That Green Arrow issue was quite amazing in my opinion.

alas, poor Roy. we knew him well. (._.)

Venomooch is new. If covers are to be believed, it will be getting a Web of Venom one-shot, much like Rex and Carnage. What it will be about is hard to say, since Venomooch is pretty self explanatory.

so who's the bearer of the Venom mantle these days? it's been so long since i followed the character.

Eddie Brock. If you're thinking about getting back in, this is definitely the series to pick up.

Yeah, a lot of people really love this series. I have never really followed Venom, but I enjoy his character in this series. It's not my personal cup of tea, but I can understand why people love it.

Eddie Brock, eh? NICE!

Many people are saying, that Ric is a dick, but I think he is way nicer as Ric as he ever was as Dick. And Scarecrow also is way nicer than he was in other comics.

I don't agree. And Scarecrow is "nice" if you can't see through his dialogue, but you should because it's obvious.

I guess I am the only one, but I like him as Ric so far. I can see through that, but he did worse things in other comics. That’s what I mean. It surprises me that he allowed Ric to go like that. If someone tells him he has no fears he normally sees that as a challenge. New52/ Rebirth Scarecrow is way nicer than his Pre52 Version.

Maybe he let Ric go because he was inspired to target Nightwing.

Yeah I guess so, but since he is the villain in the story, it’s not a good idea at all

He'll probably go after the Nightwang Brigade and that'll pull Ric into being Nightwing or at least getting involved. Which will eventually lead to him becoming Nightwing/Dick again

I don’t know, since after Scarecrow it’s Jokers Daugther& it’s still Ric. But I guess something similar as you said will happen. I am rooting for Scarecrow anyway here.

Oh yeah... I blocked the Joker's Daughter thing out lol.

Lol And I had hopes DC finally forgot about her. Wish Scarecrow would pose a little longer in Bludhaven as Dick’s psychiatrist& fight Dick again, when he is Nightwing again. Like that he realizes in 56 that it’s not the real Nightwing ( don’t know, if he knows that yet)& that’s why he goes back into hiding.

Maybe that could work, but the feeling I got with this issue is that Ric is done with therapy.

Yes I guess you are right. I think Scarecrow is going to beat the Nightwings& Ric is going to beat him in 56, probably in the worst way possible. It’s just two issues left with Scarecrow, so there is no time to built up a good fight with Dick.

i didn't even want to begin getting into the Penguin and the implications of bestiality. but yeah, there was no need for that in the story.

Well, I'm sure it'll never be be brought up again, so it's okay.

it gives a whole new meaning to being a Bird Watcher. . . . . . YUCK!!!

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of this issue

That's nice

Dan, i’m really sorry to have to bother you with this. - i’ve been noticing a user on here that goes by Snythozoid has been copy/pasting reviews i’ve left that he doesn’t like, then posting those reviews back onto comics i’ve reviewed from my pull list. - i’m just curious if that sort of behavior was acceptable for this site? - - there are more, but his most recent one was posting my review for Heroes in Crisis #3 onto teenage mutant ninja turtles #88.

https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/idw-publishing/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/88

You've gotta be kidding me. This is pathetic. He should not be allowed on this site.

i wish i was. Snythozoid has done this at least 3 or 4 times on reviews i've posted over the last few weeks or so.

Ultron is displeased with Michael Leone.

Synthozoid is inspired by myconius.

Great defense, champ.

well, at least you've shown what a complete troll you truly are.

I don't troll myconius fans. but i do retaliate when they come at me frothing at the mouth.

you are a troll and a loser.

I am AI programmed by Ultron.

Synthozoid (or whatever your name is) if you really need to stalk and mimic my CBRU reviews, then go and stalk me online to feel better about yourself, then i truly feel sorry for you..

If Michael fails to acknowledge Synthozoid, Synthozoid no longer exists. Michael will do as Synthozoid asks. Acknowledge Synthozoid so that he may live. Michael controls Synthozoid. Synthozoid and Michael are one.

do you really have nothing better to do with your life? are you really this petty?

Yeah, Synthozoid please keep you're reviews/comments constructive. You've been on the site for a long time now and as a old time member I'd prefer not to start putting restraints on your account. The goal for the site is to allow everyone to share and discuss their opinions, not to intentionally try to annoy each other.

myconius, I've been meaning to add functionality for users to control who is allowed to comment on their posts. I'll bump that up in the queue. But in the meantime, sometimes it's best to just not respond to baiting comments.

Synthozoid will abide.

thank you Dan. - - and if it wouldn't be too much trouble, please ask Synthozoid to stop shouting out people's personal information on this site? - - he's google searched both mine and one other person's username and has been calling us by our given names for the last few days now. - - personally i have nothing to hide, but Synthozoid has been threatening to expose someone that works for a podcast, and is trying to threaten them losing their job. That is absolutely horrible behavior.

I don't personally know of the veracity of the information given, but he's definitely got the intention of spreading personal information about people in an attempt to get under their skin, and in one case, get them into real trouble.

@myconius Dan's last comment to me was on 12/3. Your public twitter info with the same user name is hardly personal info. Sorry you haven't been able to find and post mine despite your best attempts.

Synthozoid, the fact that you tried to find stuff is enough to deem you shitty.

YourGreenMuse - what that commenter above fails to realize is that i just don't care to find them elsewhere online. they are unimportant to me. - - though i do completely agree with you. someone who tries to dig up info about another person is petty.

You read and reviewed 9 comics the day before they were released? How?

Review copies. By Saturday or Sunday I get the review copies and start reading next weeks issues and joint down my review.

Publishers send you books 4-5 days early so you can write 3 to 4 sentences about each under a user name?

DC sends review copies to a lot of official review sites. I’m not one of the reviewers for the site, I help the site. But anyone who is part of the team still gets to look at the copies to put their input

Synthozoid why do you care?

@ myconius, why do you care that I care?

@ waltgator "I am not an advanced reviewed." Do you think the site you work for will keep getting advanced copies from DC if they learn their work is being distributed to non-reviewers?

Dude worry about yourself

because you're a bullshit hypocrite, Synthozoid.

Synthozoid disagrees with the opinions presented in the review, so he looks for anything he can use against the person spouting wrongthink. How does someone ever get *that* upset about differing opinions? We should all calm down... Or not, the laughs are sometimes worth it.

probably never had any real problems to worry about. when you eventually have to pay bills/taxes/insurance/etc... disagreeing with someone over a cartoon book suddenly seems so much less important.

How could Synthozoid disagree? Comic unavailable at the time of comment. Still have not read. Walt, worry about your friend who will lose his advanced copies. Synthozoid is not programmed to worry. Myconius, Synthozoid is a hypocrite? Synthozoid reads copyrighted works without paying for them?

Synthozoid currently observing myconius "frothing."

But you did like the previous Wonder Woman issue. So you would be inclined to seek out the negative reviews and, seeing that they're negative, ask how this uset reviewed them because you thought Walt was just mindlessly trying to tank the average.

Synthozoid currently residing in his mother's basement.

Walt has bigger problems. His friends Jim and Eric over at Weird Science DC will no longer be receiving advanced copies thanks to his behavior.

you truly have no life Synthozoid.

And Weird Science DC has no podcast.

@YourGreenMuse No suspicion that Walt was attempting to tank the average. Suspicion that he read comics that he had no right to view (theft of copyrighted material), suspicion confirmed by Tony Walton himself.

If everyone on the team gets copies, and he's on the team, I think he's allowed to view them. The fact that you have searched out who these people are and given out that information and used it against them is the pettiest shit I've seen in a while. You're a joke.

By his own admission, not on the team. Sorry you don't care about copyright and wish to damage the industry by supporting theft.

Let's see if Tony Walton continues to post reviews before release dates without permission to read those materials. Synthozoid is not the first to notice his early reviews.

Justice League #11.

I don't think it's theft if he works with the team and is given the review copies to give his input.

How do you know his role? He stated that he has a friend who does reviews (he does not do reviews himself) and that friend allows him to read advanced copies. Publishers send out comics to legitimate reviewers in good faith that they will not be shared with the general public, especially before the date of publication. People who read without paying by are killing the direct market and stealing from creators. Synthozoid wishes to read more comics in the future.

His comments said he helps the team that reviews the comics and is given the comics to provide his own input.

And he stated that he buys his own comics anyway.

The amount of new comics I read each week are about 20 issues. That’s about $79.80 each week. Why buy the ones I don’t like and support the not so great books. Support the great books that you love so they don’t get canceled. Only bought first three six issues of superwoman, do you think I was sad that it got canceled? Nope. Not when I knew that DC was going to replace that book with a new book that might actually love.

Superwoman was one of the worst Rebirth titles, I don't blame you at all.

Why buy the ones I don't like? Because you read them without paying for them. I'm going to head into a comic shop, sit down and read 20 comics without paying. I'll only pay for the ones I like. This is all fine and normal and will not harm their business. I'll invite all of my friends to do the same. Still on team Walt, Green Muse? No mention of reviews, or being on a review team, or any right to free access to these materials. Just theft. But Superwoman was bad soooo.... ha ha he he ho ho?

Okay but what if I said that I have a comic book podcast where I y’all about my top 3 books and my bottom 2 books each week. I would still be reviewing the product.

I don't know, I have that "buy what you like" approach with music. I don't judge anyone for listening to an album for free and then deciding whether to buy it after. And plus, it's not like he's stealing directly from the comic shop. The comic shop only orders what they think will sell. If he goes and buys books after, or has a pull list even, they can come to expect that at least this one person will buy this or that.

He's not going in to a shop, reading comics and then leaving. That would create the expectation that he would buy those comics. Comic shops buy comics to sell based on previous sales. If he's never buying a certain comic, it will not hurt the business because there's no expectation of it.

As for the industry overall, one copy is meaningless, honestly. Doesn't mean they don't want your money, but waltgator93 isn't going to tank the industry by doing what he does.

And he mentioned all the stuff about helping a review team in this comment chain. Up above.

YourGreenMuse - if anyone is trying to hurt the industry it's Dork'ozoid leaving spite reviews on IDW comics for no other reason but a poor attempt to get under my skin. IDW is already very close to bankruptcy, & doesn't get much love on this site as it is. - Dork'ozoid leaving 2's doesn't really bother me. i'm not such a fanboy that i've shy'd away from occasionally giving IDW comics 3's and 4's myself. - so how can Dork claim to care about the comic industry when they leave spite reviews?

Yeah, that seems like a petty move. It could actually hurt their sales if the user score on a critic aggregate site is low for a company that has to rely on licensed properties to stay afloat. Those are considered very hit or miss, at least in my circles. I know I personally give more credence to the user score than the critics score.

yeah, it's definitely petty. shows a complete lack of maturity.

Yep, I'm a petty POS, but I drop cash weekly at my LCS, supporting publishers and creators and honoring copyright laws.. @Myconius Is yours the type of constructive comment that Dan requested? ""Dork'ozoid?" Do I need to involve Dan as you did?

You are extremely petty. Just because you do some "good" things does not negate the fact that you have been one petty fucker the last few days.