I am not sure I’ve disliked a comic this much in a while

I haven't read this issue yet, but Torunn Grønbekk had done some really good work with the Thor title, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't read this issue so I don't have a horse in this race, but I'm having a grand old time reading all of these comments, and I'd just like to point out the irony in you calling other people unintelligent and misspelling a three letter word in the same sentence.

Really? Your argument is "you made a spelling error"? In 2023? Weaaaaaak.

Typical user reviewer who is more concerned with someone else's review than anything else. Over 300 reviews and you have an average score of 9 out of 10? What was so wrong with Hawkgirl #1 that you considered it so below average?

It's not an argument, merely an observation! I just found it amusing that you'd comment on other people's intelligence level and talk about them looking silly immediately after misspelling the word "but" :) And although I'm not entirely sure what it being 2023 has to do with anything, I do commend you for not making any spelling mistakes in your reply to my comment! (Assuming the five extra a's in "weak" were intentional and not another error) Perhaps there's hope for you yet!

2023 - The Year of Poor Spelling! (Or is it “The Yeer of Pour Speling”)

Weird Jim, are you talking to me good sir?

I was - laughing at the fact he excused his poor spelling because it was 2023 - the first comment was directed at Toon though

Just chiming in HEAR lol. Can you HERE me? double lol. Yes pronunciation, grammar, spelling, ect. mistakes makes you sound foolish when questioning someone else's intelligence. As for your argument of hating the comic based on right wing stances, you're just the other side of the coin. I believe Toonstrack was the initial one who was more concerned with others reviews correct? They just put it in their review instead of a comment Jim.

@ Jim, I stated in myself that I didn't find everything about the issue perfect. My score isn't because I give every book a 9, its because I usually only bother reviewing when I really like a book or a series. And no, a spelling error doesn't change the argument, now that others have chimed in clearly no one has contested my conclusion. So it seems I was on the money.

@tron, is this a confession? Because there are grammatical errors in your comment and spelling errors. When you're referring to a subject action you use "you're" not "your". Now this is your argument, not mine. But given you dont offer much else what am I to conclude from this?

No one has actually contested that they were sent here because it is true... "free thinkers" when an internet personality tells them what to think, I suppose.

@WeirdScienceJim Ah yes, I had a good laugh over that as well! Literacy was so 2022. I guess I just need to get with the times.

@Toonstrack, "No one has said I am wrong, therefore I am right." Really? That's the argument you're going with? In 2023??

Good catch. Corrected. YOU'RE still wrong.

@marvvel no, I'm right because what I'm saying is correct, and the fact no one is denying it is because it's correct and they know it is correct. You see how that works? @tron compelling argument, however I am not wrong. Have you even read the issue? Be honest. You can say if you haven't.

No, you attribute the low score to one or two bombers. Multiple dislikes for this book. Even if it's politicly driven the author is as well and it gets a bit tiring for some. A rare book for a secondary character people want to read and have to wade through modern political bs. That can be a reason. It's perfectly reasonable.

No, it's not reasonable to call a book bad because it and has a gay character. Thats as laughable as calling a book bad because it has a dwarf, or a little person. It makes no sense and has no bearing on a books quality. If you dont like this story being told thats reasonable. Not liking that this book doesn't reflect your idealized reality is juvenile. The book was attacked simple for featuring an original gay character when thats what yall have been saying they SHOULD do. Double standards.

I mean, I should rephrase that it is "acceptable" as in one is allowed to do it, but it is certainly not rational, or reasonable. I dont like smoking, but I would not call a book bad because a character in it smokes. That would be ridiculous.

No one said it's because it has a gay character in it. I'm saying if entertainment wedges in every authors personal bs in every book today and is CONSTANTLY filled with what is considered left or right politics one can become exasperated. Terry Goodkind books consistently became more "right" as his books progressed and became distracting. When the book is written around a belief or cause instead of being written to fit a narrative it sucks. The characters become afterthoughts.

This is largely prevalent in books and movies today. It takes away from the experience as a whole. Overwhelming comes to mind. The zombie craze is another example of what I'm talking about. I can hate a Superman book that is written well just because zombies show up for the millionth time. Here I'm talking about authors personal politics instead.

This wasn't just one gay character showing up. This was a litany of what is considered today as left "propaganda". It would be the same if christians showed up and began talking to Kendra about the positives of adoption over abortion or bendfits of the death penalty because Gregg Abbott wrote it. Where does that belong in a comic book about heroes and villains? The overwhelming nature of it can take away from the book and make you dislike it.

Nothing was propaganda. They never said "you should be this way" or anything. No one even makes a statement about it. If you consider the very presence of people with a different lifestyle as propaganda, that means you have an inherent bias against their presence. Because presence isn't a statement. Its presented in a passive matter of fact manner and did wasn't even advertised before release.

So your comparison is a false equivalence. Gay people exist, so at this point, its more of a statement to actively avoid showing them around. No message is being sent, simply a story is being told. It may be a little distracting because it wasn't always the norm but thats fine. I understand the world changes and people change and views change, and I don't have to gave them all agree with me in order to enjoy a work.

That's why I put propaganda in quotation marks.

It's not just about gay people. Of course they exist and they should be represented. I said there is a litany of things. Things considered overboard for liberalism. The overboard is what the issues are. It reeks of an aura of........left. This is just another in a loooooong line of it and overshadows the comic. It permeates today's culture and people are sick of both sides of it and it's diharreaed all over this book.

Thats a bit dramatic. And review bombing rhe book on this site is not even a normal or rational response especially when, it isn't actively advertising anything and it isn't even being judge as a full book. Im telling you many here didn't even end it but just followed someone who pointed them in a direction and said go. Its the exact opposite of how art critics should be.

These people live a very miserable life man, it's sad

@toon - there was no review bombing - the original thing you were talking about - the person mentioning Gabe Hernandez - was a reviewer who said they were surprised that they actually agreed with gabe (meaning they usually don’t) about the book! You need better reading comprehension. As for the issue : it’s a hawkgirl book, yet Axlrod is more interested in pushing her own character, Galaxy, who saves the day and has everyone talking about her while Hawkgirl is written very unlikeable

General ck (who has 1451 reviews) said “ Wow, I'm actually agreeing with Gabe Hernandez for once!” That’s not review bombing - gabe hernandez has an Critic Review on this site - that’s why the guy mentioned him!

@jim The book remains a hawkgirl book lol. No one in the book discusses galaxy beyond a single page of batman reviewing her origin. The rest is about hawkgirl and setting up the villain. It might not he directly from Gabe, but its very clear some of these reviews didn't even bother reading the issue just based on their vagueness and incorrect details.

To those in this thread, Toon is not an honest actor. They constantly attack people, and when people respond to defend themselves, they say that is a win for them because no one called out their own poor arguments. Even in my comment where I laid out the pages and the artistic choices that I disagreed with, they made baseless accusations. I think this should just remain an agree to disagree situation. Toon can think its an 8.5 and most other people can think it is sub 5. That is fair.

It is so much more about Galaxy - more background info for Galaxy than Hawkgirl (who is in need of a definitive background with the new open timeline), Galaxy saves Hawkgirl and stops the threat the other heroes can’t and we end up with Hawkgirl crashing unconcious into… Galaxy’s apartment !

The villain is intriguing - I just hope we get more of her and Hawgirl and less of a Galaxy push going forward. Overall though, I don’t think this book will be in the top 200 by issue #3

The heroes were beating up the guys before galaxy ever got there tho, like, they were winning pretty handily except for when hawkgirl took a shot not meant for her. I frankly don't need a book to be in the top 200... and I'm willing to wait and see how the story develops and if they wrap the villain in. I think we all want to he able to enjoy it; so hopefully the reuslt is positive.

I have to say I've enjoyed this comment thread more than this opening issue which isn't great and isn't terrible, in my humble opinion. The art is excellent but the writing left me disappointed, mainly because Kendra is written as pretty unlikeable. And yes, there is clearly a big Galaxy push by the writer/creator. Let's see how issue #2 pans out.

The funniest thing in this comment thread is seeing the weird science guy pretend weird science is legitimate when we all know it's the dregs of comic book criticism.

Saying someone was "sent here" like it's a big deep state comic site conspiracy is a bit dramatic as well. Doesn't mean he wasn't or that I'm wrong. Mout, it isn't miserable to want to like something and be disappointed because the author decides they need to use their work as a platform for their ideologies first and worry about their story second or that they MUST wedge it into everything they do. Kind of a one trick pony.

Some people are hateful obviously but just calling everyone that as a go to when your opinion differs is sad as well.

The irony of having a V avatar and saying this. Alan Moore was that one trick pony in the 80s.

Yo Toons, keep it up. Keep being positive with comics. Having a high rating isn't a bad thing. It means you are enjoying the medium unlike a lot of those who just come here to review bomb, hate read or attack creators. Its people like you that keep the comic industry afloat, not these degens that site behind screens and yell into an echo chamber about how their politics are making them pariahs when it's their words and actions that are just outdated and miserable. I'm genuinely glad you liked it

Jesus it's dick bag again. Glad you think AM was a one trick pony. I'd say your mom is a one trick pony but I know she takes multiple tricks per night. Hex, being positive about comics is great when there is a comic to be positive about. Instead of keeping the comics industry afloat by fluffing their junk some would like to see positive changes. It's like the love it or leave it argument. Why leave when you can help to improve. Sales may get better you think????

He likes the book? Great. Don't shit on those who don't cause you think it's hateful or mean.

I don't think it's hateful. It's literally hateful comments and reviews. Your ill-fitting mask seems to be falling in front of your eyes and blocking your view of the obvious bigots and hate mongers.

I meant don't shit on those who don't cause you think WE'RE hateful or mean. Hope that clears it up. I said some are hateful people but the tendency to lump everyone in to that category who thinks wokism or ANY oversaturation of ideologies in entertainment is rampant is fucked. That's what I'm saying. Browbeating people as bigots cause they get tired of ANYTHING rammed down their throats while just trying to enjoy some entertainment today is fucked man.

You are hateful and mean. Or at the very least side with those who are up front about it and don't feign to hide behind the imagery or ideals of someone they don't understand. "Woke-ism" is a fear created and perpetuated by YOU and those you side with because you hate change. Hate the idea of gender/sexual/racial equality and think that any representation is some sort of mandatory ramming. You don't have to read this. Nor do you have to continue your tired tirade on any comment section you see.

I also kept it vague. Not mentioning any particular person or group. Just that the nebulous review bombers and hateful echo chamber members were the ones that are insufferable. YOU put yourself in that camp by assuming I meant you and essentially rug pulling yourself. Good job mate. Cheerio!

You insinuate that I didn't take your message's meaning by repeating what you said as if I hadn't addressed it. I did. To you and your V persona. Seems I was right that the mask slipped in front of your eyes because you clearly had a hard time reading it. Under no uncertain terms did I dodge or misconstrue what you said. "Don't shit on those who don't cause you think it's hateful and mean." I told you that you were clearly blind to those who are blatantly mean and hateful. Reading comprehension?

Sigh....you are a big a fool as psychomoron. Everyone who doesn't share your mindset is hateful and cruel and can't possibly be anything other than what you and the modern blind righteous masses deem proper. Hate of gays is your go to I guess. Even when it's explained as simply as being tired of the same old bullshit by the same self righteous people time and again. The very thing you seem to be saying I'm doing. Enjoy your piss poor selling comics.

So self righteous to be pro-equality. If only no one gave a shit like you don't, we'd all be chill. Apathy is just bigotry with an extra step. If you are bothered by the existence of caring, then you clearly are predisposed to the position of being against it.

The brain disease of centrism is borne from a basic lack of comprehension about the very topics you throw yourself into in every comment thread. Read up, learn and come back when you can make an argument that's not just obsessing over having things shoved down your throat.

Bothered by the existence of caring? It's a comic book. Escapism. Some like to have it without the regular political bullshit of the world intruding and it just won't stop. Just like hex saying I have a V persona? It's a fucking avatar on an internet site. Makes no sense. I thought I hated you. lol. Hex is a fucktard and a half. Anyway, I'll be back for issue #2. Later.

Art is inherently political. And comic books are art. The reason we bring up your V avatar is that you constantly complain about politics in comics yet you rep the main character of The Political Comic™. It just shows that you have a bias towards left leaning politics, and it's not simply politics as a whole, and that you were too stupid to understand or haven't read V for Vendetta.

Thanks for caring @amazing Psycamorean! I love that we have almost identical overall ratings for the reviews, but that doesn't matter I guess

"Apathy is just bigotry with an extra step." Lmao. If only the anointed intellectuals within the education system were more in line with the likes of Thomas Sowell there would be far less empty platitudes and divisive rhetoric from clueless far-left millennials churned out of their propaganda machine.

Thomas Sowell is an idiot that conservatives parrot around to appear not racist. They found the one black guy with enough survivorship bias to make Bill Cosby blush, and they shove him out there in a desperate attempt to excuse their racist rhetoric. He sounds smart to people with no comprehension skills, and no one else. He's a joke.

Most roundabout way of calling someone an uncle tom I've ever heard. Fucking hater 🤣

I don't think he's an Uncle Tom, I think he's a pickme. Similar to someone like Candace Owens. Someone who dislikes their own group and therefore tries to appeal as other.

Jesus Christ you're racist. People like him because he's intelligent and studied under Milton Friedman, not because he's black. What a weasel you are.

Well, no. People don't like him because he's intelligent, because what he says is, in fact, stupid. They like him because he gives credence to their biases, which are racist. How does he do that? By saying racist things about black people while being black, and dressing those things up as intellectual thinking, which adds to their credibility among the stupid.

The real racist is the one who agrees with and believes racist things, even when black people say them. Thomas Sowell, for instance, is a giant critic of affirmative action, which I assume you agree with since you're criticizing the education system. Affirmative action is a good thing for minorities; it recognizes the socioeconomic imbalance between the different races due to a history of segregation, bigotry and violence.

It allows people who otherwise would be stuck in their station to rise beyond it, instead of continuing a cycle of poverty that would otherwise be impossible to escape. The people against affirmative action are racist people, and Thomas Sowell is one of them.