a dozen red roses please.

Oh hi johnny, I didn’t know it was you.

that's ME! how much is it?

Your my favorite customer.

keep the change. ...hi doggie! xD

if you haven't seen this yet, you really need to! ...this is the Batman/Joker we NEED right now!! XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL0cT-Yi1SU

This is the best thing ever.

:D

I completely forgot about the fact that King wrote the character earlier. Grayson is a great comic. Nightwing here, however? Ugh!

i don't know what happened? the Grayson series was so great, ...now i'm wondering if it was a chemistry dynamic between King and Seeley collaborating that made the series what it was?

I think you might be on to something. I tried reading Seeley's Nightwing, but it just wasn't the same.

I have to admit, Tom King's Joker has made me laugh, but this version of Dick has been a friggen nightmare imo. Every damn joke is such lazy schlock.

maybe these are just alternate versions of the characters from a parallel universe? ...or perhaps deranged clones made by Darkseid?

Or it's just a dream.

or a nightmare! . . . . hahaha! that's IT!!! . . . this was all just a Scarecrow/Mad Hatter team-up! :D

How did his Joker make you laugh? King does one of the least entertaining Jokers I’ve ever seen. He doesn’t understand the difference between and joke and a riddle but that’s ok because they all suck when he writes them. I’ve yet to see a redeeming quality to any character he’s written.

HUH? In Grayson, Dick is out on his own, operating with Bruce over radio only. It was clever to bring out the kid in Nightwing, with Batman being in such a stupor Dick was only trying to lighten the mood, while trying to remind us and Bruce of better days. Yes its cheesy, but it's also fun, warmhearted, and familiar, unlike a lot of you hate filled jaded critics. At a certain point you should realize some people just aren't on your vibe, out minds do not align.. put the comic down, and walk away

thanks for the advice mommy.

I don’t think anyone is confused about whether or not King is the writer for them, they just hate how a character that they love keeps getting shit on while people try to tell them that it smells like roses.

Talon1load sums it up perfectly.

A character that you love, whom has a very very long history, of which many different types of people love. You cant please everyone obviously, however... Dick Grayson has always been a cheesy kid at heart who grew into a cocky albeit charming fuckboy with fun loving outlook and upright sense of justice. King drew the kid out of Dick, again these are two friends, this is father and son goofing off. Why is this shit? What is so bad? I swear you must be jaded by hate to dislike this comic imho.

Not jaded by hate just dislike how Nightwing is written to be almost as annoying as Jar Jar. I honestly think that King has no idea how to interact with other humans and that’s why he struggles to depict normal human interactions on the page.

Jaded by hate? For the love of Batman just stop Æther. I know that Dick was trying to lighten the mood and Batman was super serious and sad. But it was handled poorly and came out rather cartoonish that "fun, warmhearted and familiar".

You think Nightwing was as bad as Jar Jar in this comic? I mean no, it's just not possible... Mesa called Jar Jar Binks, mesa your humble servant! Dissen gonna be bery messy! Me no watchin!Gungans no dyin' withouta fight. Wesa warriors. Wesa got a grand army. That's why you no likin' us, mesa thinks.Icky, icky goo! How wuude! ... and that voice, that fucking voice. It's just dishonest or delusional to compare. You want to pretend like Tom King is some idiot who doesnt human interactions.

Yet to me it felt like familiar golden/silver age batman and robin style adventure team-up, just Bruce is really emo as of this moment. It's all ending in more tragedy for the bat, he is broken and now he loses one of the most important individuals in his life.

You can hate Nightwings jokes sure, but that doesnt come close to making this a bad comic. To be almost gladened by the ending in this comic as the author of this original review was, is quite frankly sickening. To wish death on a beloved character over a few bad jokes... what can I say, it seems hopeless.

Æther stop being a jive turkey.

Lol. Ok, the Jar Jar thing may have been a bit of hyperbole but the point is that by the end a TON of people were ready for Dick to get shot. That’s how shitty King’s writing is. They’d rather a beloved character was killed than put through his crap again.

I understand they want Nightwing dead because he is annoying them, I'm just saying he wasnt THAT annoying. This is a character that has been with us since 1940 if you really like/love Dick Grayson there is no way that was all undone by these last two issues. The Mummy puns, Fan Tom Pharaoh, "Chum", and a tricksters challenge to be daring, are really enough for others to wish death on Nightwing? It should be endearing if you know the history and context of the story. To each his own I guess.

I think people are mostly pissed that Nightwing is now going to be stuck moving in a direction that was arbitrarily set up by King just to justify making Batman even MORE emotional.

don't worry. DC's continuity throughout different titles is always terrible. Nightwing being shot in the head in 'Batman' probably won't even affect any of the other titles.

I already saw the Nightwing cover coming up, guess whos shaved head is on the cover with a head wound... this is what comics are about, things change, events happen. Also I dont know why you think this was some arbitrary choice, this is clearly planned, likely by Bane. King is doing the sad bat so good, have any of you actually read Nightfall? Lol the sad batman faces at the end of every comic, he was so emo and scared walking around in a fucking bathrobe comic after comic.

It's like you dont even know what real emo pathetic batman is.

King is basically writing a better Knight's story arc. While exploring bat mythos with interesting dynamics and characterizations. Yes a writer makes a character sad on purpose to explore or develop something about that person, there is nothing wrong with this.

so in the cult of Tom King, do they have you guys shave your head? go out in public places and hand out the left over copies of Batman #1 from Free Comic Book Day?

Have you read Knightfall? He was wandering around in his robe exhausted because he was fighting every damn villain that Bane had realized. Not just because he was sad. It’s pretty funny when some one tries to make a point but just proves they don’t know what the hell they are talking about. And King isn’t doing a better version of anything.

of course he didn't read Knightfall. probably just hopped on the Rebirth bandwagon because comics was the new and 'neat-o' thing to do.

Yeah because batman should be getting "sad" because there are just "too many" bad guys around lol your must be fucking joking if you think that's a good reason for a superhero to get upset. Knightfall was totally forced, like that's your job batman stop being such a fucking wimp it was pathetic. You defend the sad bat in Knightfall and give tom kings a hard time. DILLUSIONAL sorry your just being stupid now.

Superheroes are not supposed to be good at romance, they arr good at stopping villian first and foremost. Hench why kings story makes sense.

And yeah I get in knightfall he wasnt just sad (although he was) he was paranoid, panicked, exhausted. It all happened too fast though, I mean if you wanna talk about arbitrary decisions this seemed like one. They wanted a broken bat, right? So Just look at the leap in change from issues Batman 491-492. He went from being batman, to immediately breaking, right when you need him most. Bane is known for being the first to break the bat, but it was very much '/wave a magic wand' in style.

King took Bane and gave him a much better plan of attack. He went for Batmans weakness this time, not his strengths like they did in Knightfall, and then forced him to fail. It all feels much more natural in Kings run.

that's wonderful Æther. now please go away.

Exhaustion is a much better reason than his suddenly forced obsession with being sad that King started in his first issue. Knightfall was sudden but it made sense because everyone knew that he was constantly fighting. Batman hasn’t been constantly sad until now. King’s plan of attack was nonexistent until one panel in 50. So now everyone is supposed to believe he’s behind everything no matter how improbable. When and how did Bane have anything to do with Thomas Wayne or Skeets? It’s bullshit

Bullshit that was forced in because he knew that people were pissed that he turned out to not have the balls to go through with the marriage. So now all of his sycophantic fans go on and on about how great and amazing his run is because they lack basic deductive reasoning. They, like King, are drawing lines that just don’t fucking exist. This entire storyline is bullshit and if you think otherwise you should probably stop eating paint chips.

if some people love this run, fine. i enjoy my share of cheesy entertainment. i thought James Franco was brilliant in 'The Interview' and 'This is the End'. plenty of other people absolutely revile those movies, as i their right. different strokes for different folks. ...Tom King just so happens to be writing my favorite character. once he's done with this run and moves onto another character i'll thankfully never have to read another one of his comics again.

#50 was a well thoughtout surprise, and it was long in set up... He presented us with Bane early on, he then pissed off bane, and he kicked his ass, In two complete comic arcs 'I am suicide' and 'I am bane'... This all gives Bane motive, it gives him a much better reason to attack Batman. It has been gradually built up. It's not all a simple ego war like in Knightfall. Also Skeets and Thomas Wayne dont need to be explained yet, it's called mystery. Its not like Obama and spidey were standing there

The exhausted bit in Knightfall was awful, Batman could have called the Justice league in for help, this wasnt a plane crashing at that very moment. He could have called for backup, which the real Batman would have done in that situation. Instead he straight panicked as he made scruffy frown face in almost every panel as he shit his pants from the start... you wanna talk about a Batman that didn't feel like Batman, that was it. At least we got Bane from it all, and now hes given a GOOD story.

the Skeets and Thomas Wayne twist was not earned in the least. it was just a cheap shock just for the sake of shock. no proper build up whatsoever. there wasn't even any hints, clues or mention of Bane within the first arc or NightofMonsterMen to even tie Bane to Hugo Strange. this is pretty bad storytelling.

the time when Knightfall came out DC titles weren't always that quick to cross characters over into other series. it happened once in a while, but not as often as it happens since the New52. ...and it's not like Batman just calls the Justice League every time he has a serious problem. why would comic readers buy a Batman title if he's just going to call in the League. …Knightfall isn’t even my favorite Batman story, but even i have to respect how many reprints it’s earned over the years.

You wouldn’t know a good story if it hit you in the ass if you think King is doing ANYTHING worth while.

i’ve been hearing more and more people say that Tom Kink only knows how to tell one story. …Hero deconstruction, someone unsure of themselves, beaten down, wallowing in self pity. …from what i’ve seen him do to Batman and reading his pitch for Superman in ‘Heroes in Crisis’ i'm inclined to agree with them.

That is the only thing he does and he doesn’t even do that very well.

agreed.

Maybe people just think it sucks?

Admins flat out called someone out for review bombing

Ahhh. Yeah that’s bullshit then.

Say the guy who bomb every Lobdell's book.

i'm more than positive this also goes the other way though. this site is kind of BS in many ways on both the critic reviews as well as user score. many comic readers are some of the most deluded individuals out there. look at what positive review is ranked the highest. not an actual review about the comic, a commentary about about some troll review bombing. doesn't say much for the comic in question does it?

no thay are not

thank you for that glimpse into your crystal ball Nostradamus.

No, it seems you read a version that was good. We must've gotten ripped off.

John’s run was so much better And I only read the first trade of the Johns run

Need I remind you, that Mera was sexually harassed by grocery store manger and he is NEVER punished.

I’m pretty sure mera used her water powers to beat him up or was that a different incident Also you’re implying one moment is indicative of an entire run That’s like me saying Mark Waid is a horrible after reading one issue of the champions and nothing else he’s written

John's run is ok but Peter David & Dan Abnett are my favorites.

By the way is your profile pic from Kamen Rider?

Why yes yes it is Specifically, Drive If you had not watched it yet goo watch owl retry much anything except decade and ghost and go from there

Ok more specifically I recommend the first two series after decade, W and OOO if you want something a bit lighter go with Fourze, if you want something a little more series go with Gaim or Build, I’d recommend drive as well but it’s characters are not for everyone

this isn't a review. it's bullying.

questioning why two reviewers gave a diffrent score than everyone else isn't bullying

I don't think it's bullying, but that's a fun joke. Part of me wishes that someone took it seriously, that would've given me my jollies.

it's passive aggressive bullying of the condescending variety. ...but regardless, it is not a review.

Comix4fever has a serious issue with condescension and I think he needs to quit reviewing. That's MY advice. Since clearly he's not enjoying himself. Right? That's always a good option. Quitting.

yup! it's a pity that good art should go to waste like this.

Agreed.

ohhaimark ~ i just got the reference!! :D ~ ha ha ha! what a story, Mark!

i did nawt hit her

it's naht true. it's booollshet. i did nahhhhhhhhhht.

😯

What

if i had to guess? i'd say someone is shocked at you for having your own opinion.

I'm sick of people thinking they know better for some reason. I don't go to your reviews and act shocked or tell you that you should stop reading the comic like you're brain dead and you haven't thought of doing so.

exactly! too damn many "fans" act like they own the right to who should read or think what. ...no one is allowed an opinion unless it's aligned with theirs.

People complain about marvel but at least Marvel doesn’t have a line of books that basically rips off their competition

I guess so. They certainly tried to at one point, with the Squadron Supreme. Nighthawk was the Batman book, Hyperion was the Superman book, Squadron Supreme was the JL book...

The-MJP - Marvel has been ripping DC off for decades.

Well they weren’t as blatant as dc and didn’t have an entire line dedicated to it, and before you ask Squaron Supreme was always meant to be a deconstruction instead of an out and out ripoff

They both rip off each other, New Age of Heroes is just flagrant about it

definitely. neither company should be held up on a pedastal. they'd sell you snake oil if they could get away with it.

getting a little hyperbolic there arent we

I think the marketing department would try to sell as anything. Marvel had plenty of snafus in 2017. 2018 has definitely not been DC's best year with the Bat-Wedding and their plain awful treatment of mental health in the HiC ads.

HiC ads?

Heroes in Crisis advertisements.

true!

seeing Matt Wagner's art deteriorated like this makes me sad. i like it, but it's... it's not as good as some of the art he's done before. i completely agree with it not being a good idea Condiment King is now reduced to a murderer. ...it's just cheap shock value just for the sake of shock value.

Yep. That seems to be all King has is cheap shock value.

i really got tired of all of Scott Snyder’s cheap shock gimmicks when he was writing Batman. i was hoping for more from the new writer that would take over. …but here were are… more cheap shock and awe. …part of me would like to think that things will improve once another writer eventually takes over Batman. but i can just see DC getting yet another flavor of the month, johnny-come-lately shock schlock writer.

For the most part I liked Snyder’s Batman. I’m not as big a fan of his work sense then but I likes his Batman. I can not stand King’s Batman since it isn’t recognizable as the actual character. Add to that shitty storytelling and dialogue and there is nothing redeeming about this run.

i really loved the very first issue on the Snyder/Capullo Batman. i think it lost it’s charm for me upon re-reads. so much of the exposition is just painful for me to get through. Capullo’s art is amazing though! Tom King’s Batman seems like a practical joke to me. the dialog sounds like malfunctioning robots trying to communicate with each other. and King’s Batman is so incompetent. if Batman wasn’t my favorite character i wouldn’t even bother sating my morbid curiosity.

i really need to read this issue again.

Obviously you didn’t read my comment without jumping to conclusions about the content. I gave an honest rating about the book based on my opinion. Did you? Of course it’s about politics, it’s Captaun America, Duh!. But does it have to be such poorly written crap politics? No it doesn’t. I didn’t say he should not include Black Panther. I just think it highlights how little he understands Cap by falling back on that character so soon. Anyways, now you have disingenuously tainted the ratings. Well

Obviously you didn’t read my comment without jumping to conclusions about the content. I gave an honest rating about the book based on my opinion. Did you? Of course it’s about politics, it’s Captaun America, Duh!. But does it have to be such poorly written crap politics? No it doesn’t. I didn’t say he should not include Black Panther. I just think it highlights how little he understands Cap by falling back on that character so soon. Anyways, now you have disingenuously tainted the ratings.

And I apologize for the double post. Poor WiFi area.

"This book isn’t a 10" then why give it a 10? if someone gave it an low score then so be it. there are more high scores than low for you to post an inaccurate score to try to control what you feel the overall score should be.

The impression I got was you were trying to control the ratings by giving this a 1. You are right; you have a right to your opinion and so do I. We onviously have different criteria for ratings. For me a 1 is absolute garbage including all aspects; art, writing, storyline. To me a book would have to be total crap in all areas before giving it a 1. I would give this book a 7.5 and I’ll change my rating if I can

My rating is changed.

Thank you. I am in no way trying to antagonize you, as a matter of fact I looked at some of your ratings and we seem to agree on a lot. I didn’t like this book. Plain and simple. I have a print subscription to it because I love Cap. Just not digging this and will continue to rate it book by book.

i actually didn't score this book since i didn't read it. but i follow your account and saw this in my feed. if this Bigbooty person wants to blow their horn by giving a 1, let him. hopefully they aren't doing that every month. i used to let others scores affect mine. but i eventually realized being honest with myself was more important that what others think. ....i dunno. that's just my two cents for the day.

kudos! btw! :)

Good discussion. No hard feelings!! Bigbooty - its tough being passionate about a character and hate what a writer is doing to them, so I hear ya. Hopefullt you will like it. It’s not a great book, but it has my interest.

Good advice btw myconius

@READ RUMBLE - my pleasure. :)

hey Giz, glad you got a chance to read this!! ...even happier that you enjoyed it! :)

You bet, thanks for the recommendation :)

you're very welcome!! ^_^ ....if you have the time and $$$ definitely check out the TMNT: Urban Legends!! ... i'm actually enjoying that a lot more that the regular IDW Tmnt series. :D

the way Karma was defeated in this issue, was the exact way that Batman stopped 'The Lump' from stealing his memories for Darkseid's clone army in Batman issue #683. ...i wonder if Bryan Hill had read that issue and felt enough time had passed to mine that idea?

Hey Gizmo, good news. even though it's ever so slight, IDW Tmnt has been on a nice steady incline. i think ditching Tmnt Universe and putting focus back in the main series was the best thing they could have done. ...also, if you want a real kick-ass adventure with a kick-ass version of Batman? check out Batman: King's of Fear. probably the Best new Batman story i've read in a very long time!

Sweet! Thanks for the recommendation, I'll pick it up this weekend! (And I'm glad to hear that about TMNT)

you're very welcome! :)