You literally just listed aspects that added to this character and but listed them as negatives. Why?

Toonstrack, you have a right to believe being a hit-and-run killer (SS #8-9), advocate of "right" to kill "people who deserved it" (SS #11), racist family advocacy (SS #8-9) as "aspects" "adding" to a character. That is your opinion. In my opinion, these all detract from a character. And they would detract from a character, if he found a GL ring, Starman cosmic rod, or costume of any other "costumed hero." Not just finding a Batman costume. But *ESPECIALLY* Batman, because of Batman's values.

Lol...you broke Toony Bats.

When he's out of arguments, he just shuts up. Though you're lucky, Bats, he could always call you a racist and "win" the argument, that's how it always works for him and his ilk.

Noticed on Twitter, "#BatmanDay" currently has about 133,000 Tweets. Of the 133,000 Tweets (at this moment), there are some for Jace Fox too. I could count them. There are 13. That is 13 out of 133,000 Tweets. DC Comics: I don't need to do the percentage for you, right?

Once Comixology goes full-time on Amazon, the reviews won't be just the "professional reviewers" getting preview copies to give PR to DC Comics no matter what they point out. Once those DC Comics get on Amazon comments, you will see a completely different marketplace message.

Great observations Bats. We ve gone over the various reason why Ridleys character isn't going over. The sales speak for themselves..with every Tim Fox book (including trades) the first few issues do well them they drop out of the too 50. By contrast every other bat bat centric book remains in the top 50. As we ve discussed Tim Fox is a poorly conceived character who's stories and mission are not appealing to the audience that buys the bat books. That may change with better writing and art.

But as of right now Tim Fox appears to be "Batman" by DC edict alone. The fans arent buying it.

No one is interesd in Usurper Batmans war on privilege or Ridleys hamfisted racial politics. No one reads Batman for that. If Tim Fox poor sales hold up he won't be around "for a while" in the books. I'm still thinking the end game is a CW show for Tim Fox while feature films remain Bruce. I never watch the CW shows so as long as Usurper is not in the main books I'm fine.

Jace Fox and Ridley share a common theme of self-loathing in this series. Jace has self-loathing knowing that he is an unpunished hit-and-run killer, and wants to take his self-hate out on others. Ridley knows that he has been unable to come up with his own original character with a comics marketplace (not since New American in "The American Way" comics for WildStorm), and he writes "Batman" with the self-loathing that he has had to sink to being an usurper of someone else's character.

Jesus Christ you weird reactionaries

Great observations Bats. Nothing about the character feels earned. He stumbles onto a satellite Batmab base coopts the fear and claims th is mantle for his war on privilege. His father has effectively stolen the Wayne fortune and company which the character also insinuates himself into while decrying the wealth. Funnily enough he speaks like this is the or 6 years in the future approaching Future State yet hes slated to again walk into the title after Bruce self exiles put of Gothsm next year.

Sorry for the typos. Tim Fox just feels entitled to usurp whatever he wants from Batworld and I think that's why most fans haven't embraced the idea of him as Batman. Theres no nobility or compelling force to him. Hes just a knob that thinks he can take whatever he wants for his less than compelling war on privilege. This is what third series for him? Hes still not resonating with fans and I think that's why DC is keeping him with one foot in the elseworldy Future State.

I dont know Merlyn...could DC be blinking with this character and keeping him in Future State for now? Perhaps they hope sales improve this series? Tamiki will be continuing the move towards Future State with Shadows of the Bat but Williamson seems to be working on a Batman Inc status when he takes over in 118.

reactionary= "I hate that you don't like what I like and even have the guts to critique it". @Ming: Neah, he'll be the Batman in the main DCU and for some time.

Right, how dare we point out the King has no clothes. I mean, isn't it every day that costumed comic writers take a hit-and-run murderer and make him into a costumed hero? Clearly it must be something wrong with those of us who find that obscene.

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I'm starting to have my doubts Merlyn. It's entirely likely but the whole "Batman hasn't been seen in years thing is a status from Future State. Granted Ridleys writing has been pedestrian at best but that's quite a whopper DC editorial let go. Tamakis next arc pushes Tec towards future state but that would take it out of continuity by 5 or 6 years. I'm hoping you're wrong on this but you do tend to be right.

Agreed Bats. Theres a lack of nobility to what's behind Tim Foxs war on privilege and how hes chosen to go about it. It speaks to Ridleys values too. I think most fans cant find a way to resonate with that and so after a few issues Tim Fox books fall out of the top 50 sellers.

The sequence where Tim Fox uses urban hipster vernacular is just laughable. Yeah sure the kids will ask permission next time they spray paint a wall.

"Urban hipster vernacular"? Uhhh no its a dialect my guy. No different than Remy Lebeau incorporating French or rogue calling people "sugah".

No its urban hipster vernacular. For real...LOL.

Please... don't embarrass yourself. Its called AAVE and trust me this comic is using a pacified version of it

@Mingthemerciless It certainly is! somebody pass the patchouli

@fenixalasnegras oh lookie here, a racial dogwhistle. Really classy. About what I'd expect from you honestly.

Where the hell did you see a racial dogwhistle? Are you out of your mind? Or is that just your modus operandi? Whenever you run out of arguments, you're like "Ha! Gotcha, you racist"? You did the same with me, so it's not looking to be a coincidence. Please reasess your methods or I'm going to have to ask you to stop commenting on my reviews if your only objective is to make people racists when they're not.

Go look up what he referred to in context, and come back. Just because you tend to miss details and minutia in writing doesnt mean its not there. He made a deliberately obscure reference to a racial stereotype, because that's the kinds person he is. Isnt the first time either. Also I didn't do the same thing with you. Ive made implications that maybe your view on race issues is skewed but I've never called you a racist.. you've called plenty of books racist though, without merit.

No, there's a pattern here. You lose the argument (or don't actually have one in the first place) and then you jump right to "you're racist". You have to do better than that, sorry. Otherwise I don't really see the need to entertain conversations that don't actually go nowhere beyond flimsy accusations.

What argument did I lose? I wasn't even initially talking to him, nor did he even respond to what I said. Neither party did. Twice now in this very comment thread I've advised folks go do some actual research and both times they dodge. Ironically you are choosing to make a simply accusation instead of seeing for yourself why his comment is a dogwhistle. The pattern you SHOULD be seeing is from his own past comments, which lend even more credence to my statement.

So you want to keep going this way. Ok, it's your choice. When the consequences come, it should be noted that I have warned you.

You're literally not even attempting to respond to what I'm saying at this point lol. I might as well be posting anything else with how you are just flinging non sequiturs. Christ....

You're sensitive little thing arent you Toony?

And for real its urban hipster vernacular.

Merlyn I think toony came looking for attention because his gushing review didnt get much love. Honestly I think Ridley could publish a mac n cheese recipe and toony would sing hosannas to it.

By the way no one was putting any racial complexion on this awful book until Toonys senditivies were offended. Bless his heart.

Fenix apparently patchouli is racist "dog whistle" now. So says racist dog whistle policeperson toony. N' est pas?

No, its a dialect ming. Just because you weren't educated on that doesn't mean your word is law. I see you've been reduced to ad hominem and have no actual argument. Im more than willing to leave you to continue fellating yourself but I was hoping for more from someone who claims to know things. How many more individual thoughts did you come up with after these 5 barely coherent ones?

You don't have arguments toony...you have hysterics. No one with a modicum of intelligence takes an individual like you seriously. Please let me know if I posted any dog whistle there. Oh and for real its urban hipster vernacular.

My argument is that it isnt hipster anything because it isn't. Facts aren't hysterics. Any academia or institution that claims any modicum of intellect will tell you exactly what I'm telling you. The fact you cite intellect while disregarding this is proof of my claims, which by th way you still have failed to argue against. You are trying to avoid it and its so obvious. Please... stop embarrassing yourself. And I never accused you of dog whistling. Just felix who has scurried to his cave

@Mingthemerciless What? Hahaha! How do he get to that definition?This happens when the person has not traveled and believes that the world is limited to five blocks from his house. And worst of all, he doesn't even investigate, he just spews whatever comes to mind in his haunting mind. Such incoherence made me laugh a lot, that is appreciated.

Oh I investigated lmao. You aren't fooling anyone. Well... you're fooling some folks clearly. Haunting mind... I like the sound of that. I'll be stealing jt

And on a note ,Toonstrack , there are people who have occupations, maybe you don't understand that the world revolves beyond comics. You know, school, work, friends. If you look out the window, you will see a real world outside, where normal people live and engage in various activities.

It's so cute how you read into King's intentionally vague script exactly what you wanted so you could boohoo about the big bad liberal writer and victimize yourself as a conservative. Glad you had fun!

@BitchWitcher Spot on. And he calls King a narcissist.

It's enough to read King's twitter and his interviews about the book and NOTHING I said is not true. And "intentionally vague"? Yeah, if you're an utter moron. King could not have been more obvious if he would've named Turley Drump or something like that. Sure, "vague", lol. What a cult this guy's gut with idiots like you and the loser who made a fake account to attack me. Btw, Loafy, if you're not admitting that right now, you're getting blocked. Again.

*got.

Sweetie I've had my account for two years so I can keep track of my books. Making fun of your comical abject despair is just a bonus!

Well, I can't expect you to understand King's "subtle" ideas when you can't understand what other people are talking to you. The loser who made the fake account was Loafy. You were the idiot, obviously. Yeah, now I get the whole "vague" thing, for you anything is vague since you fail to understand what other people are talking about. :))

More narcissistic behavior from Merlyn, who clearly doesn't know what the word means based on his earlier misuse. A narcissist, as defined by Merriam-Webster, is an extremely self-centered person who has an exaggerated sense of self-importance. Go ahead and block me again, then circle jerk about how smart you afterward for failing to make a single coherent point in our argument on comics. It's basically your patented move at this point.

I love the "I didn't understand what happened but I'm sure it's a masterpiece". These are the Tom King fans. Idiots like you who don't understand what other people are talking about, people who don't understand King's writing, losers who make fake accounts to attack other people, insane people like Batman Jones who come to complain that I'm not using the right words for his sensibilities or crazies like the guy who made his account to fight the VanSciver fans who don't exist here.

I'm glad I'm not one of you, it's a good sign for me. :))

I thought you right wingers were all about "free speech" and the "marketplace of ideas" yet you're ALWAYS the first people to block others for pushing back against your completely incorrect opinions based on nonsense.

If you admit you made the fake account you're free to keep posting. If not, block. Quickly make up your mind or you're shutting up right now.

OH NO, I might get blocked because I made an account to continue an argument after Merlyn blocked me and declared victory! No one fucking cares one iota what you do, you narcissist.

You always refuse to engage in the point, then write a bunch of right-wing drivel that ignores everything anyone else is saying, then you declare yourself "ThE SmArTeSt" before going for the block so no one can respond to your trash. It's so tiresome

You made an account specifically to insult me, don't just lie like the coward you are. If no one cares what I do, WHY ARE YOU COMMENTING HERE???

Have I ever commented on any of your reviews? No. Why? Because I don't care what two idiots have to say. I. DON'T. CARE. You obviously do, since you come constantly to comment on my reviews and you make fake accounts with Trump at the profile picture to insult me. It sounds like you have mental issues. Seek help.

It's the internet sweetie, grow a pair and deal with criticism, especially if you're going to barf out blatantly untrue bullshit. If I go on a comic website and say something as stupid as "DC is cancelling Batman" despite them soliciting 30 future titles a month featuring Bruce I'd expect some serious pushback. And if I spoke the way you do about race I'd expect that pushback to be tenfold. That a good enough answer for you dip shit?

"I don't care what you have to say" says the guy responding two times minimum, with insults, to each post. Sure buddy.

WHY ARE YOU HERE IF YOU DON'T CARE?

Go away, I don't want you here and you don't care. Go away now, go.

He's starting to get really mad about people calling him out for being a narrow minded bigot. But in regards to the actual issue, King is pretty heavy handed here, I can't say this was my favorite series, nor do I really care for the continuation of the Watchmen universe (not trying to be some elitist Watchman fan or anything). It was interesting but unnecessary.

Oh look the loser and coward who has me blocked and thinks it's fair for me to let him comment in my reviews. No, I don't think so.

Just because a character is black doesn’t mean they are a milestone character. That’s like saying only white characters can be from the Dc universe. Black Manta has always been from DC comics … who are you? haha lol

Yeah, you're right. Only difference is ALL the characters here except the pirates aka the villains were black. That's not the same thing. That's happening more in a Milestone book. You can pretend that's not happening here but it is.

Tim Burton was at the top of his game then. Michael Keaton surprised everyone with how he delivered the role. Gotham looked and felt like a city out of time and created a great mood. Nicholson's energy. AND Jack Palance. It's clear the talent bringing the story to the screen added what Hamm lacked. I'm hoping the series lifts as I'm not reading current continuity or anything FutureFear State so this is my Batman fix but Hamm seems to going into one-note territory already.

Yeah, I'm grateful for all of those people because if Hamm would have had his way I doubt this movie would have had any real success. And it was a milestone in the Batman movie territory so yeah, thank God for Burton and everyone else who kept him in check.

Yeah nothing reactionary about this

I've argued that Cantwell is writing this book like King's Batman and it's showing more and more that Cantwell wants to be Tom King

I've dropped this series, I feel like Kelly doesn't have a story and they changed the artist who was very good.

Is Ridley writing this as current continuity or in Future State? Tamaki is working towards Future State in Tec. Williamson is to have Batman put Batman Inc back together when he takes over in 118. Fear State is current continuity and Batman leaves Gotham at the end of it. This is a mess.

It's really sad, I don't want the publisher to disappear, I've tried to support with the comics that I buy, but I'm reaching the limit and feel I'm not the only one. My interest in this publisher is getting less and less. Why they didn't better generate a land where they would do these things and leave heroes like Batman-Bruce, Superman-Clark, WW-Diana alone instead of disappearing them, really the only thing left is the Nightwing fanfiction which is pretty bad for a young adult audience.

Maybe Williams can do something about Batman, sometimes he does interesting things, other times he writes very youthful. Pfff I think that next year, if not before I will close the DC chapter due to so much mediocrity.

Yeah I'm Williamson can lift the book and give the readers some decent stories. Tamaki and Ridley arent delivering.

I decided not to pick this one up. It's become a slow crawl, & DC is price gouging its customers at $6. It's just not worth it anymore.