"Sorry, that sounded wrong" - - hahahaa! that's ok. i totally knew what you meant. such an exciting start. Tomasi usually takes a few issues to get going, but from my experience it's usually worth it. (((((SPOILERS)))))(((((SPOILERS))))) for the Death of Leslie Thompkins(((((END SPOILER)))))))) it really needed to take up most of the issue.

I think it was very out of character for Leslie what she told Bruce, because she never was fine with him being Batman& using violence against others. That felt pretty wrong to me& I’m really sad about her death. She was one of my favorite batfamily member.

it really depends on who's writing Leslie. more Silver & Bronze Age stories stories she was a very nurturing mother figure for Bruce. it was the more modern tales where they tried to pit her against Bruce's war on Crime. but i can really see why Tomasi chose to utilize the more warm version of Leslie in this particular story. if you recall from Tomasi's first issue of (2011) Batman & Robin, Bruce wanted to try to step away from all the darkness in his life.

"...from here on out, i'll be honoring their wedding anniversary and not their final night on this planet."

You are right,, but Leslie also was warm towards Bruce when she criticized him for being Batman. She did that since the late 80ies& throughout the entire 90ies until War Games, so I think it’s an inconsistency with her character. I‘ve actually never liked when Bruce did that, because revenge& hate always was part of his character. As for me I’m glad DC went back to Bruce’s dark side like in Hills Detective Comics story for example. However her death sucks so much.

it's all subjective i suppose? i don't mind Darkness in a Batman comic. it's why i'm attracted to the stories. but i really don't care to see Bruce completely consumed by it. i absolutely love the sequence in 52 when the Ten-Eyed tribe vanquished the darkness from him, as if it were poison. he was still the Dark Knight, but he was also running at optimum. very cool and calculated.

i was really thrown by Leslie's death. i really wasn't expecting Tomasi to do that. especially in his opener. but i was very pleased with how he handled Bruce's reaction towards it.

Yes, but I personally didn’t like New52 comics very much. Some of them were good, but there were so many bad stories. I prefer what we currently get over anything back then. I still hope it’s not true with Leslie, but yeah Tomasi wrote it well ( apart from her attitude towards Batman).

99.99% of New52 stories were trash! the only ONE series i absolutely loved was Batman Incorporated. and that was pretty much just a pre-new52 story with the cursed New52 veneer. Tomasi's B&R was decent. it was the best Batman title out of the relaunch. though it was not without it's out set of flaws. but i did enjoy that one best of all till Batman Inc showed up. i guess time will tell with Leslie. i really didn't think Tomasi would pull the 'death' card. especially with all the HiC misery.

I hope so, but he is just a mediocre writer for me. The Dark Knight and Gothtopia were my favorite New52 run/ story. Arkham War was ok, but had many flaws.

Don’t think Batman Inc. was part of the New 52 lineup.

i honestly wish Batman Inc had not been part of the new52. it makes reading the tail-end Grant's run very jarring. but in Batman Inc #13 there was a really cringey line forced in with Gordon mentioning the 'Zero Year'. plus right after Damian died in issue #8 all the other Batman titles had their Robin Requiem.

You should read the comic before commenting on it.

O I read it. Hope you had a good fap.

She's a fully dressed secret agent doing a job with great competence throughout. You didn't read it. I don't mind a bad review when the bad faith is this obvious.

No problem! Hope it helps.

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Noticed the same a while back. Thanks, Dan!

you did? how absolutely splendid! 💕💕💕💕💕

Was writing to Dan, not Michael.

you could have wrote on Dan's profile without commenting on my post.

How bout u 2 just touch dicks and get it over with? lol

you can touch him all you want.

No thanks

Comic Princess - i apologize. i wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I thought it was OK too, but the "Bros before Heroes" line was pretty lame. The full page of Lois in panties was ridiculous. I like the Batgirl stuff, and I always love Batman giving crap to Superman.

Batgirl vs. Harley parts were not good at all.

King hasn't written Batman well ever so this is at least in character for his bad writing I guess. But yeah, the entire thing is bad.

Tom King has been writing Batman during all over Rebirth

But not very well.

Oh gotcha! My bad I read it wrong.

Yeah this issue had some pretty bad parts, but Black Canary was hilarious for me lol

the Batgirl confessional was just painful to watch!

Agreed. I alsoI hated her scene with Harley. DC continues to play the victim card for Harley.

as much as i enjoy her character, i am really getting sick of Harley Quinn. she's being written totally overpowered, just like when Catwoman one-punched all the dang Flashes. i really hope King never EVER writes on the main Flash ongoing series! Barry would be dead by issue #2!!! ...killed by Kite-Man.

I only like Harley Pre52, in the animated series& in the Arkham games. I can’t stand her in New52/ Rebirth. With Flash it seems some writers like Johns overpower him so much, others like King underestimate him.

agreed. Harley was best in her original inception from BtAS as well as early comic appearances. the New52 pretty much ruined her. yeah. i really wish DC Editorial would do something about certain writers overpowering characters in one story, while other writers punk them out under different titles. it doesn't make for a smooth read when you go from series to series. very jarring!

Exactly and if they at least made it believable with giving characters a real plan or Special powers, but with Harley ist just one Punch, that knocks out everyone.

Not happy with what they are doing to Harley. But “pure garbage?” Really? It’s not great but I have read much worse.

it's the amount of fanfare that DC is heaping upon this title that makes it so much worse. they are totally overselling it, and putting way more importance on it than it deserves.

This is for real 8 dollars good?

In my opinion, definitely, but you have to be a fan or at least understand Grant Morrison's writing.

It's worth it but it helps if you have read the miniseries first.

That's very true.

Thank you so much for your review of this issue that came out 14 years ago. We’ve all been waiting to pull the trigger to buy it. Now that MJP says it’s OK, let’s buy this!

Because it came out 14 years ago I can’t put in my two cents and share my opinion

Thanks for your review MJP, this obscure book had no reviews anywhere. Can you review Watchmen next? I heard it might be good. Don't want to commit just yet.

So I can’t share my opinion on the books that I read, I thought that’s what this website was for And since when is fan-favorite X-men run obscure

Can I get your feedback on Citizen Kane? Need your opinion before viewing.

what the hell is your problem with me posting a score an a comic that didnt get rthat many scores when it was originally came out, people give thoughts and recomendations on media that came out a long time ago all the damn time, why are my opinions suddenly worthless just because the comic is more than a year old

I like whedon's x-men and legitamtley didn't like Kim and Kim and wanted to give my thoughts on themdeal with it

and for the record, because of rising comic book prices and my ow financial situations, I rarely read comics issue by issue and usually just borrow trade paperbacks from lending libraries, which is why i score older comics more than newer comics

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Too bad there are no moderators on this site looking out for hate speech. THis has been on your site since September 2018? Let’s see how long it takes u to notice.

Good lord. Bigots like The-MJP should stay away from people.

Hadn't seen that. Thanks for commenting about it. Just added a way to remove offensive comments and have removed this one.

The-MJP, any more comments like that and your account will be shut down.

Nice, Dan. Thanks.

What kind of problems?

Angus, Gail Simone is a very talented writer. Her best being Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Red Sonja and Secret Six.

She can write well, but like a child she targets people with her jokes, only one group of people. She would never write a joke targeting a progressive. Liberals and conservatives are evil, we get it. She can only write her beliefs as positive. Limited but if you agree with her narrow view of righteousness then it must be great to see the same belief system pop up in much of entertainment.

My family and I escaped to the other side of the planet unwillingly to avoid this type of thinking so it is jarring to simpletons like a dumb middle easterner like me.

I understand you disagree with her politics but what does this miniseries have to do with it?

I said it in my comment, her comedy targets people. I read comics with my cousins (large family and I am the oldest in my 30s). We get on skype or hangouts and read them as few times a week since we have to live at different ends of the country. Writers like Johns, Tomasi, and so on seem to try to entertain without targetting anyone with their humor. Gail Simone targets ALL who oppose her and I guess she does not realize that she paints herself into the corner, not us.

When 6 out of the 9 of my family/friends comics group wont read her, it is on her. She does not understand nuance. It is straight to 3rd wave feminism. Misogyny jokes and so on. The teens refuse to hear that and endless make fun of it. The 20 somethings just laugh and let it go and me being in my thirties just wants to avoid it so I don't get fired at work.

But I keep giving her chances to just write a decent a comic without that stuff. And we can't go there. Her Tweet Bird/Sylvester/Catwoman comic, another waste of 5 bucks had to jam the jokes in there so another issue I am stuck with no one in my group wants to discuss. Perhaps we are just on the wrong side of history like tells us.

Anyway, I hope you do enjoy her comics. I am probably not going to give her any other chances since the big part of the fun is my family getting together and discussing them and she just cause fights between the 6 people who totally disagree with her, the 1 person who thinks like her and wont let it go and the 2 of us that don't care about her agenda since it has been disproven on various points for years.

"Her comedy targets people". That's rather vague. Can you give any specific example, based on this issue of Plastic Man?

Feminists are not real conics fans

U r right MJP, we don’t like conics

Comic princess, Tbh I was just parroting yellow flash and didn’t have any clue what I was saying When I take a step back I realized he’s not somebody I should parrot, especially when I realized I actually liked the comics he was bashing

You cannot be serious

Sadly, The-MJP is quite serious

How you know Synthezoid?

Oh shit, yes, he’s a straight up asshole.

For the record I had completely forgotten I had written this and I realize my comment is immature That being said I’m still not a fan of mags, and im not going to praise her just because she’s lgbtq+

MJP - Did you read Oh S#!t It's Kim & Kim #2? Not asking for you to praise something you disliked.

For me it’s one of those things you remember reading, but the only thing you remember about it is hating it

Sorry, “heil this,” was corny as hell.

I thought it was a cool line, that's just my opinion though. I write reviews subjectively, so you are probably right.

I really enjoy your reviews. This one represents my feelings about the issue very well. I didn't feel the issue was "kinda... pointless" but I was so eager for the followup to the cliffhanger of #60 it was tough to go to another place instead. I think "Knightmares" is probably going to be a series of smaller stories that reflect on the nature of Batman. More...

I love "Master Bruce" as a villain. I'm not sure where it's been done before so I'd be curious to know which stories/characters you may be referring to. My memory is not at all what it used to be. More...

The main thing I have to say about this issue is that Tom King is obviously playing a very long game and I think it will be more widely appreciated when collected. Same with Doomsday Clock. Out of the context of the run I think this was a great Batman issue. In context, I mostly agree with what you wrote so I'm just going to give it a rating.

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy my reviews. I agree, the cliffhanger from last issue was so good, it was a bit awkward to do a different story. I was mostly referring to Thomas Elliot, as most others did, but I think that Master Bruce feels original enough to be a great villain. I love his obsession with becoming like Bruce, rather than just being another young villain who murdered his parents.

I do think this whole series will read better as one whole story. In fact, I have been rereading this series in trade and the first few volumes are a lot better than I remember. I'm a pretty big fan of King's writing, so it's probably just a personal thing. Maybe my original expectations were too high. I also love Doomsday Clock. I will definitely get whatever hardcover or deluxe edition they release of that.

Am I the only one, who thinks this kid has something to do with Thomas Wayne? Would make way more sense than him being the real one.

Ah, Tommy, of course. I feel like Master Bruce is quite different and at least as provocative. I'm with you on all your comments. I think King's Batman and his Heroes in Crisis are going to be received much differently and more favorably when he's been able to finish his stories. This is a stumbling block with reviewing episodic storytelling before the story's finished. I don't think anything in King's Batman is filler. I think it's all part of the plan. Time will tell.

I agree with Batman Jones 100%. Oh hi Mark, are you still a 6.5 (a “D”) for this issue. Sounds like u agree with him now. maybe not. Luvin all your reviews btw

Thanks, Comic Princess. :) Darkseid24: Maybe I'm missing something but I haven't seen any indication Flashpoint Batman is the "real" Thomas Wayne as in our Bruce Wayne's actual father. I'm still operating on the assumption he's meant to be from the Flashpoint timeline. I think there's a clear connection to Doomsday Clock since we've got a Thomas Wayne and a Jor-El running around the DCU now. I figured we were meant to draw the conclusion that Dr. Manhattan was responsible for that.

My original score was a 7.5, but I really didn't feel like this needed to be a full issue, so I took an extra point off. I don't really use letter grades to label my reviews either, I have more of a personal system, where 6.5ish ratings could be called "pretty good," or "decent." I think Batman Jones is a great reviewer, he makes a lot of great points, certainly better than mine, however for some reason I just wasn't feeling this issue as much as I wanted to.

ohhaimark, don't sell yourself short. your review system is solid, methodical and very thorough. plus they are very entertaining to read. sometimes more entertaining than the actual comics themselves.

Ditto to myconius. I think ohaimark’s reviews are much mote thoughtful than my own. I usually just say how much I liked an issue or not. I don’t think I’ve posted negative reviews because that’s just not my jam. I love ohhaimark’s reviews!

he's very modest, on top of being very amiable. ...that ohhaimark fellow is the salt of the earth, i tell you.

I agree, 100%

Thank you guys so much! I really appreciate it! Glad you like and enjoy my reviews.

you are most welcome! :-)

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Batman Jones...a very similar villain is Tommy elliot/Hush