Yes, killing heroes is what you do when you're out of ideas. So is cranking out another "Crisis",

The straight white savior line is about representation, and a story trope, not about demonizing straight white people. It's a trope that the straight white person is the norm and always the hero. This is the case in comics especially. And in an effort to broaden and diversify the universe to more fit the reality of the world's demographics, there's been an effort to write more diverse characters. Simple as that. You're reading the hatred into it, probably because you're hateful.

I remember you, you're an idiot. I blocked you before in the hope you'll get better. You didn't. Oh well, here we go again.

Anything can happen my good friend. Therefore I prefer to turn this series around and read only your comments. You just have to put Jon singing "And it was not my fault, or where he was, or how he dressed" with his boyfriend dancing to the side.

I don't know how much I can resist, though, I'm going to give it some issues and probably I'll drop it too, there's just too much stupidity in it.

Maybe Taylor is going to make aged up Jon the kryptonian version of thise frogs that change sex when there's a shortage of mates? That would "broaden and duversify" every which way including amphibians.

XD

Sometimes I feel like I'm living on the South Park show, with Kyle's dad getting the dolphinplasty and asking for baths and special treatment.

Hazard a guess and say a super powered grandson of kal el will be a bit of a stretch for DC at this point?

Honestly I'm much more concerned about Jon's character. You can survive a butchering of the character once (Bendis) but can you survive a second one, what Taylor does to him now? I don't think so. At this point I hope they'll pull a de-aging comicbook storyline where he just reverts back to the age he would normally have without Bendis and just erase everything Taylor did to him. Just bring back the wide-eyed, Tomasi version of the character, without all of Taylor's ideological burdens.

I think after the novelty wears off this title will sputter out. It's pretty clear Bendis was told to rapidly age the character likely more for 5G plans than for Taylor's social engineering.

Well, this is a maxi-series, so there are still 7 issues, plenty of time to ruin Jon even more. Taylor will turn him into Greta Thunberg two issues from now. After that, DC will launch a one-shot with Damian trying to recapture the Super Sons magic. I think that's far gone by now.

I actually didnt like Damian at first the character grew on me. Where he became a future version of batman is when the character clicked for me.

Lol..thunberg "how dare you". Hlobal warming Jon makes no sense because his dad has access to technology that that literally fabricates environments.

"Making sense" isn't an issue for Taylor, propaganda is. And honestly it's just partially his fault. His fanbase is to blame because they accept idiotic stuff just for the sake of their cause. They don't ask for better so he doesn't try. He is capable of better writing but he knows his idiotic fanbase will accept his shit, regardless of how little it makes sense.

No question Taylor is concerned with activism here. Jon's metamorphosis into a switch hitter is indicative of that.

Taylor's pretty much checking all prog boxes with this title global warming anti 2A "refugees..wink wink" Jon's now consonant person.

I'm sure Taylor would love to work a vaccination angle that always works up the progs.

Funnily enough Superman is currently in a book with authority and it's a much better read than Taylor's hamfisted writing here. Which again makes one ask...what is Taylor's priority here?

Propaganda. Don't forget, we also have an upcoming confrontation with Lex Luthor. You just know that after the refugees propaganda (check), the LGBT propaganda (check), the climate strike propaganda (future check), burn capitalism down is going to be his next issue. This is all Taylor cares about. And he just loves to propagandize through such a powerful character as Superman, who people love.

Unfortunately this is a bastardization of the character and at some point you have to realize when something is changed beyond any recognition that it's just twisted into something else entirely. This, right here, isn't Superman. It's Tom Taylor masquerading as Superman. And I have zero interest in a moron like Taylor who believes he knows what's best for the world I live in.

Is it a maxi series I thought it was ongoing?

Did Jon stop killing trees to do his environmental propaganda to kiss the boy who came out of nowhere? I don't know, this comic has seemed so boring to me almost as if it was I'm not Starfire. Jon is character come of a soap opera of rosa de Guadalupe. The Jon's boyfriend looks a bit like the Devon Erickson.

People are easily misled by comics covers

Guys, I’m going to let you in on a little secret. Gather ‘round… You ready? STOP. BUYING. IT. If you aren’t happy on the direction of the book, bitching about it online after you already BOUGHT it solves nothing. Nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares what I think. They care what we buy. You stop buying, your LCS stops ordering, the publisher takes notice. See All-New Marvel now. Don’t fool yourselves into thinking you’re sticking it to DC by buying & bitching. Stop buying.

So succinctly Hydro if we are not talking about something you agree with then we should be silent? No thanks. The motivations of the writer are valid to discuss. And I've never bought a copy of the book so your advice is useless to me.

@Hydro-Man: If "nobody cares what we think" why are all these morons here so butthurt about it? That alone makes it worth it. I get what you're saying and you are partially right. All the same, I don't want to ignore something when I consider it wrong. And this is wrong on all levels. Superman, one of the best characters in comic history is being turned in a puppet propaganda tool by an idiotic writer.

I don't want to see that. I find it wrong and I want to be able to say it. Because in case you missed the memo we're allowed to say less and less what we don't like in the name of "tolerance", "acceptance" and PC. All the while, the people who ask us to shut up put their fists in other people's mouths, sometimes even literally. So yeah, I feel like we shouldn't cave in to this. Again, I get your point, sales are what matter most but sometimes it's about more than that.

@Ming I don’t like the new direction just as you don’t . All I’m saying is the only way to affect change is to not buy the book. If you’re not buying the book (like you say), nothing I wrote should rile you up. We agree. @Merlyn Yes, you can get butthurt responses from people by posting negative reviews of the book. If that’s your goal, keep on trucking. If you want change… stop buying it. Remember how All-New Marvel Now ended? Retailers screaming at the publisher? That’s how we win.

Merlyn, I’m not at all against you speaking out. You’re right. People are chomping at the bit to call you all kinds of “-ist” for not thinking like they do. Speak your mind. But you’ll be better if you can do that without supporting something that makes you upset. When I told my LCS the only DC book I wanted this week was Batman, instead of asking why I was down to one book, he said “ok.” Cuz he knows what’s happening. I feel worse for him than anyone but hopefully things turn around.

I get what you're saying Hydro. And yes sales talk but lately DC has been ignoring poor sales on some titles too.

I'd argue that while, yes, the sales have been a huge factor and ultimately the main factor in Marvel dropping that initiative, the online backlash was a big factor too. People were literally laughing at Marvel and making fun of them online and that hurt the brand. So yes, not buying these books is a good step towards what we both want. Laughing at them for their stupidity is another one. I'm probably going to drop this book very soon so I'll heed your advice soon enough, but not just yet.

Glad we are in closer agreement but sad that we’re each at this point over something that once meant so much to us. Oh well… If New 52 or All-New Marvel Now taught me anything, it’s that I can cut them off if I need to. While they wait for that new base of Twitter likes to translate into sales (that never will), I’ll just dive into my archive of library editions.

I think theres value to what you said with sales Hydro although DC is very stubborn with some titles that are poor sellers. Ridley's idea of batman for example is the only bat title that falls out of the top 50 yet they're keeping it around. Obviously moving the character with all the Fox family to New Yirk with #6 is DC blinked and didn't scrap top seller BruceBatman which I'm sure was the original plan.

Call me crazy but I didn't have everything on New52 like I did with All-New All-Different. There were some good titles, too.

And what makes you suppose that I am buying this thing? and immediately the gag law. Everyone has the right to have an opinion, those who like it, good for them and welcome their reasons why they like it and those of us who don't like this, why shut up? Long live freedom of expression for everyone.

And I also agree with Merlyn, I don't know what happened, the new 52 had better comics. Why not leave something for everyone's taste without snatching good comics from us? They just infantilized everything and are giving more importance to the color of the skin or the sexuality of the characters.

@Ming Just give it time. It’s an odd sales cycle: publisher > distributor > end-buyer. End-buyer response will catch up to them eventually. Speculators will be all over Son of Kal-El #5 so it’s a bad example. This issue notwithstanding, outside of Batman, you see anybody clamoring for DC at your LCS? Christ, I’m seeing more copies of Moon Knight than just about every DC book outside of Batman.

@Merlyn I gave New52 a shot. I give a lot of things a shot! Even this title, despite the writing being on the wall early on. Can’t say I look back fondly on New52. I feel like for most of it, my pull list was down to Batman and Justice League.

Hey, Moon Knight is pretty good. I'm no fan of Jed MacKay but I can admit that's a good book. Yeah, Batman was good, JL was good, I also liked RHATO, Red Lanterns, Talon, smaller series. Most of the big main series were bad, you're right. But I still think New52 was better than what DC is doing right now.

Lol Hey, I’m not crapping on Moon Knight. Just pointing out Moon Knight is… Moon Knight. A few years (or even months) back, would you expect there to be a higher demand for Moon Knight than most of DC’s core characters? Reminds me of when Rebirth launched and there was greater interest in Green Arrow than core Marvel characters.

Hydro I just read the last issue of son of kal el only sold 35K and action even less. I think I owe you an apology in a year this stupidity of DCs is likely to be at an end.

Well, Action selling less is pretty concerning to me. Action is much better. I get that this issue probably sold well because of the obvious speculators, but still, the fact that it sold better then Action might mean that DC will interpret the situation as in that the current direction, with Jon Kent Superman, is a good one. That doesn't sound like very good news to me.

Connor Kent is a clone, so he is obviously not being counted as a genuine half breed. But then again this entire review is pure copium so why expect actual logic? At least your Eternals review was good

But he is a half breed, it doesn't matter how he was conceived, so Jon is not the first of his kind. No, this entire reviews makes sense, you're just butthurt about it. Yes, I like Eternals, it's a very good comic. I'd like for this one to be like that but unfortunately Tom Taylor has other interests here rather than good storytelling.

It does matter how he is conceived. Hes not a natural birth or a natural living thing, hes artificial. This is so obvious. I mean I knew what you were gonna rate this book before it even came out, that doesnt surprise me but at least use some logic

It wasn't talked at all about that. The phrase was "you are the first of your kind". That's just not true, it just isn't no matter how desperate you are to defend Taylor. You're the one who rejects logic in a pathetic attempt to defend a writer you like. Yeah, I'm going to rate shitty books that don't make sense pretty low. Expect that trend to continue.

You quoting it makes your point even weaker. You MIGHT have something if he said you're the first half breed. But his "kind" is a natural born, human/kryptonian hybrid. And he's the first. This aint even defense of Taylor, its basic reading ability.he is the first time a human and a kryptonian bore a child. Your hate boner for Taylor determines the rating more than actual quality. Like I said, you are predictable at least, but you're known for these BS "criticisms" and this is no exception.

Why does his "kind" need to be a natural born? Since when did you invent this rule? Are you so desperate to defend Taylor that you just invent stuff? I'm not the only one pointing this out, btw. I've seen this on several other comic sites. So a lot of people have seen this but I guess they're not all pathetic fanboys like you. I've already rated the comic badly before I added that because it was a shitty comic so this has nothing to do with that.

The fact that you and other losers here who can't take the fact that other people don't like what you like screech like crazies doesn't make the criticism wrong. You just can't deal with it. Learn to. I'm not about to make it any easier for any of you, you can be sure of that.

Comic books are full of clones who have had families, children etc. Conner is no exception to that.

You typed a lot to try and make sense of a nonsensical argument. No one said it "needed" to he naturak born but thats what he is, and he is the first of that kind. This literally isn't hard my guy. Any way you slice it. He is the first of his kind. His kind is a being born of a kryptionian and human. Not in a test tube. Born. Anyone else saying this nonsense is wrong too. Just like how Damian is the son of batman. Because he's his bio son.

But the boyfriend didn't specify about "born", that's your obsession you keep coming up with because you're desperately trying to pull at something that isn't there just to defend Taylor. He isn't the first of his kind.

"There aren't a lot of half-kryptonian, half-human people running around", "You're the first one. You're the only one". I just literally quoted the book. Not a single mention about him being born or not, it's just about being half-human, half-kryptonian. Stop embarrasing yourself to defend Taylor. He just didn't do his homework and winged it. It's not up to you to clean up his mess.

"No one said he needed to be natural born" YOU JUST DID, repeatedely so. Dude, you're losing it, get a grip. :))

"Hes not a natural birth or a natural living thing" Your quote. Are you ok, seriously? You don't need to WIN here, I admitted when I was wrong on that Black Manta issue, you can admit too. I won't take it in your face or something. Just stop.

Wow you're still trying. This is sad dude. You keep coming back and adding more because you are realizing how bad of a point this is. Hes the first of his kind. Its not hard. If I say Damian is the first son of Batman, I am not wrong to say that because he IS the first. If you want to be pedantic you can say Dick is the first but dick isnt his real son. It's the same with this.

Not to mention that Connor is currently dead/in another universe if you're reading Suicide Squad, there are actually 2 Connors and both of them aren't there so it tracks. This isnt tom messing up or me, its you.

I don't know if you really are this idiotic or you just don't want to admit you botched this one badly. For your sake, I hope it's the second. You've contradicted yourself numerous times and I just proved it to you. I can't do any more than that, when I'm proving you with YOUR words AND with the LITERAL QUOTES and you still ignore it, you're either very stupid or just insane.

No, Conner isn't dead. That's Match. Conner is alive, he's with Young Justice. He JUST appeared in that book. Get your shit together and stop embarrassing yourself. This just proves you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and just keep adding more shit to the wall in your desperation to defend Taylor and your poor reasoning.

Conner is the FIRST of his kind because he's the FIRST being with half-human, half-kryptonian. Literally what the pink-haired dude was talking about. Didn't talk about being born AND YOU EVEN ADMITTED THIS. Just fucking say, "I was wrong, whatever", stop being such a baby. :)))

Those quotes dont even contradict. He doesn't have to be a natural born to he the first of his kind, because Connor is a clone. Clones are never counted as genuine genetic samples in biology if a real one presents itself. However, the statement would still be correct because he is still the first of his kind in regards to his birth. This isnt hard my guy.

Also, Match was originally shown as another Connor but its revealed he's a clone and there are many like him which lends itself even more to what I'm saying. I can admit I haven't read young justice in ages and zi thought they were in another dimension or something. Either way my point still stands. Tom isn't wrong to call Jon the first of his kind any way you slice it. Clones don't count period. It seems you aren't willing to be convinced of this for some reason.

Connor is a copy, not the original. Just like a print of art or a document reproduction wouldn't count as an original, Connor doesn't either because he's a copy. Hes literally not the first anything because his genes are literally just copies of the original. I really don't know what else to say to make this clear

Clones don't count lol? Have you been reading comics since yesterday? Taylor botched this one, stop this. And Conner isn't a clone like Match is, your logic here is just wrong. Match is a clone of Superboy, Conner isn't a clone of anyone else before him. He's not a copy, a copy of whom? He's a combination between Clark and Lex, he isn't a copy of anything, why do you insist in this stupidity? You do realize that in your desperation you are just proving me right even more?

His DNA is not original. Hes a combination of genes copied directly from Lex, and genes copied directly from Superman. Hes a copy. Match is a copy of him and there are many others. Like prints on a press run. None of them are original. It seems you are adamant about not admitting you're wrong on this so I see no point in continuing. I dont wanna go in circles here.

Dude, a copy means you've replicated something. Conner ISN'T a copy, he's a COMBINATION of Clark and Lex. Search the dictionary for what "copy" means. Match is a copy, yes, he's Conner's copy. Conner is no one's copy. Ergo, he is the first half-human, half-kryptonian, not Jon. I am not wrong so yeah, I'm not going to admit I'm wrong when I'm not. You know when I was wrong on Black Manta I admitted as much. Seems like you're not man enough to do the same. No surprise there, honestly.

Fuck this propoganda and fuck DC

Agree. Gotham also has a history of other actual heroes, Black Canary, Green Lantern Alan Scott, Wildcat, etc., who could be called on beyond the "Bat family." There is no need to give heroic (?) roles to criminals Harley-Ivey and to very questionable Miracle Molly (ready to brainwipe all of Gotham-- for "their own good"). I don't think Mr. Tynion (and much of DC) really "likes" superheroes, because their view of justice is about "POWER," not equality under law, or even "law" itself.

Exactly! For them it's not about the law, it's not about saving others. It's about claiming power for themselves and for their cause, everyone else be damned. And that's just seeping here. Every villain is actually a misunderstood good guy in Tynion's view and that's disturbing to say the least because guys like him believe the same about our world. It's no wonder they endorse rioters and their violence, if it's for their cause, it's justified and it's ok.

The awfully monikered miracle Molly is basically an authoritarian that Tynion wants us to accept as benign or at the very least "well intentioned".

We can only hope that after FS Omega she goes in the "forgotten characters" box for good.

I cant see too many writers interested in working with these cardboard cut outs of Tynions.

First time I'm hearing of it, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Seems to me DC is trying really hard to make me not care about their comics. Both past and present. What's the point of reading the older stories when they still lead up to whatever they are trying to do now.

It's speculation on some comic book sites but it stands to reason after every move they pulled with Clark. Jon is more in line with the new woke doctrine, screw the American Way, let's move towards "a better tomorrow" with climate activism and "social justice" the core of the new Superman. Yeah, I don't get it either. They're abandoning their loyal fanbase for a hypothetical one that will keep demanding even more change to the point DCU will be unrecognizable.

"Superman" and the climate strike is definitely not the right way to go. That is not a selfless hero who will save you from danger no matter who you are, good or bad. No, that is a self-righteous activist who will tell you what is good and what is bad. I get that the climate is not well. They talk about it on the news every freaking day of the week, on the internet and during award shows. So yeah, I get it. Which is why I turn to comics to escape from this for a while.

Problem is, they are starting to make superheroes into activists I see every day on the news. Someone conceited would probably now say "so don't read them". Sure I could do that and go look for some other ways to escape. But then those same conceited people would come over and try to turn that new escape into activism as well. It already happened with many movies, tv shows, some video games and I think even some tabletop games. Sorry, this turned into a rant.

Then again, some people are happy that this is "making all the right people angry".

Well, Jon Kent is basically turned into all the possible lefty cliches right now, Greta Thunberg is just one of them. It doesn't surprise me since there is definitely something cultish about the people that support a kid who has dropped school and has zero knowledge about the problems she claims to fight for. It was only a matter of time until a superhero would have been modelled after her, though I thought they were going to do that with a girl.

Yeah, that's my main argument when I say that the left is much more totalitarian than the right these days. The right is susceptible to conspiracies, see QAnon and all that crazy shit but for the most part the right doesn't try to push their ideology into every possible corner of the entertainment. The left is hell-bent on not letting anyone escape from their ideas, if you're an entertainment consumer, be it comics, movies, tv shows, games or any other cultural medium, there is no way to escape

And their main tactic is to pressure people until they shut up. And if you don't shut up then yeah, you fall into the "making all the right people angry" idiom.

And if you don't like the change, you're phobic this or phobic that.

If I remember correctly theres also an omega issue after 117 because it's an "event".

Greaaaaaat.

I love knightly adventures, I think my expectations were higher. Obviously not the ring of the Nibeluntos or the Mio Cid, but it can still have potential. And I agree that a writer is not indicative that a book or comic will be good or bad. So far I find out that Taylor is in charge. I think these kinds of comics suit him much better.

However, I think we are in front of a some (not all) fans terrified of being judged (that's why they judge) and they get angry because that's what they read between the lines when someone says that I don't like it or that I do like it and they don't. We're facing weak and sensitive generations (and I've every right to say it, I'm a millennial, the susceptible, intolerant generation of 720 sexes) witch think if they throw a gigantic tantrum they'll change the world.

They are indeed weak and sensitive. That's something I can accept, though. What I can't accept is that even though they're weak they try to impose to others what they should like, say or see. That's something I can't accept. And I don't particularly care about their screeching tantrums. I know they all have this absurd notion that only they know what's best for this world, that's super ridiculous. Problem is, they're getting too much attention because they're very vocal. We need to change that.

The story is ok so far. I'm very skeptical about it because I have a lot of experience with Taylor but for a first issue I liked it.

What's this new thing with the progs and their "I wanted to review this early because I'm triggered by people that dont agree with me"?

Normally I'd enjoy this kind of elseeorlds story but I just dont trust Taylor to avoid stinking it up with some activist crap.

My friend @Merlyn that is their weakness, they are so enraged with the world that they vomit out of their mouths as is diversity and inclusion are not well seen when it does not go according to their poor mentality. That is the worst weakness, they are easily indoctrinated, they live in an unreal world.

I'll give this a chace, and if it fails I'll just put it aside, but I think Taylor can do well here. It's what he's preaching, right? ecology, regress in all aspects technologically, culturally and evolutionarily. That's it, now he should focus on fantasy, if he do a decent job, I will buy the TP in the future, but if this becomes a communist aberration, I will not waste my time or money.

Hahaha @Mingthemerciless I didn't even read the comment, but whoever he or she was, let's just leave him on his island of intolerance and take advantage of it. Everyone feels dictator in this days.

But Taylor hates tradition and we got a hint of that when Clark screamed at Bruce that traditions are "backwards and idiotic". Anyway, I'll give it a chance, too. I'm curious who the Green Man is. Logically, it should be Hal, it would make sense for him and Arrow to team up since they're best buddies in the DCU too. But I don't know if Taylor can muster the guts to not place somebody else in his place and the fact they didn't show him makes me doubt it's Hal. DC hates him anyway these days.

I don't have a problem that they put great value in diversity and inclusion. I have a problem with the fact that they can't accept that not of all us view the world through those lenses. Diversity and inclusion are good and all but when they replace merit and talent and when you "include" people that actually want to exclude others and subvert society I'm going to take a step back and say "yeah, this won't work for me".

Neither do I, but I think my attempt to express it in English sucked. Exactly those who most preach inclusion and diversity are the most closed on the subject. They do not accept diversity of thought. You are with them or against them. Whatever with them.

Being sarcastic, like Taylor in the other series, he wouldn't make someone bisexual (he'd marry Clark to Princess Dick) and then cut down a lot of little trees to make paper and distribute his eco campaign. It doesn't matter that they are killing villagers. And if all else fails, he can always search the fanfiction. Ready. Or do a decent job, he has a great help from Putri. I really want to buy this TP only for the art, but I'm not going to endorse any more DC bullshit. By the way did you hear?

The Red Ronin funko was pre-sold the same day. Damn, I wanted one. And you've seen the RH samurai, I stayed in panties for one of those. But it will be worth it when I get my hands.

Yeah, diversity of thought really is too much for the diversity crowd, they need to control thought or at least speech so that's a no-no for them. I'm not a huge fan of the Red Ronin thing. I think I'm just too attached to the Red Hood version, I don't know. I love a lot of Japanese stuff but I'm not sure Jason would mix up that well in that setup. I know Dexter Soy drew all this Ronin stuff and I would probably like to see a one-shot with this concept at least for his sake.

I think you're totally jumping the shark there, no offense.

Fair. I admit it's a stretch, but I couldn't shake it. The uproar over Jon Kent coming out as Bi surprised me, so I don't think anything is off the table.

That's a tooootally different situation, though, it couldn't be more different. That's an in-continuity story where Jon Kent, a character who never exhibited any sort of attraction towards boys is suddenly bi because Taylor knows that will appease his LGBT crowd that he has vigorously tried to cultivate on twitter. He isn't "coming out" as much as he's turned bi completely out of nowhere just so a writer can preach to his choir. That's fanfic taken to the next level.

This here is an Elseworlds story where Clark still acts like Superman, his parents are a little bit sketchy indeed but there's nothing deliberately ideological about this. If anything, I think by the end the prophecy will turn out to be shit, I don't think Taylor will go the Injustice route again, that would be quite boring.

Completely disagree with your take on Jon Kent. However, I do agree the "prophecy" will turn out to be lackluster. Which is a shame, I think this story has a ton of potential.

Why do you disagree, though? Do you remember any sign before this of Jon swinging that way?

Nothing beats the cover for issue #7 of Son of Kal-El. That one just hurts.