Cope.

"...so I could hope to miss out on the terrible, toxic discourse this series creates because a minority of idiots decide to keep reading a book that sends them for a spin for daring to be written by someone who's not as idiotic as them", well that didn't age well lol

I agree, you keep reading.

XD

Why would one go about reviewing a book by insulting others?

I though Bendid was a parellel for Bendis , the real enemy of Jon

It was that, too, I think, he chose Bendix as his enemy because the name is very tongue in cheek. But this issue I could feel how Taylor was imagining a dialogue with Trump right there, it's the type of stuff he always complains about on twitter. With the lying and the refugees, all that stuff.

You understand things. I like it.

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I am with the firm belief that Taylor steals idea from fanfics but from the worst so that no one discovers it and mixes it up as you said well with stories plagiarized from other authors. Zero creativity in this man.

You know, all political differences I have with you aside, you seem like a guy who's intelligent enough to understand that just because you hate something, it doesn't mean other people can't love it. Rate this book a 1 and hate it as much as you want, that's your right, but it's really bizarre how you think no one else could possibly enjoy it just because *you* don't. You complain that King needs therapy (and I'm sure he does, most if not all of us do) but it seems to me so do you.

Read carefully, please, I didn't say no one could possibly enjoy it, I just said it definitely doesn't deserve ratings this big and appellations like "masterpiece". Because let's not kid ourselves, this ISN'T a masterpiece. Even if you're a sadist and enjoy seeing a hero completely tarnished, killed and replaced by his wife, this isn't done in a way that deserves these high ratings. I stand by that. I think if this book was written by Bendis it would be bombed pretty badly with awful reviews.

But since it's King everyone's pretending this is some great work of art when it really isn't in fact.

You said “ I'm almost sure no sane DC fan really believes this is actually a good book” so you’re saying to enjoy it you say you enjoy it you’re either a) lying b) insane or c) not a fan of DC. I’m only so-so on King and haven’t been reading this, but I still understand that there’s people outside hose three options who genuinely love this.

No, you can enjoy a book even if it's not a very good one. I've enjoyed, for example, Rosenberg's run of X-Men but I agree it was not a very good run. And yes, I do believe there are a lot of people falling into the a) category and some who love King so much that are falling into b) when defending him.

Sounds like Adam Strange played Tom King.

Yep, it's a guilt trip and at the end the only ones who lose are the fans.

What's even more frustrating about Miracle Molly is that she goes on this monologue about hating Simon Saint for the things he's done, when if you go back to the last arc, she and the unsanity collective willingly worked with him to cause all of this because it aligned with their ethics. This was a complete reversal, without any of the necessary work to get there.

That's Tynion all over. His Gotham reaction societies are all "I hate what you did, I'll do the exact same thing." It's about as smart as the Guardians creating the Yellow Lantern Ring in the Green Lantern movie to fight Parallex who tried to harness the power of fear but became evil. It makes no sense when you think about it for 5 seconds. (Also give me a like, it really boosts my vanity).

I feel like a lot of writers simply don't plan/flesh things out in their writing enough. You can tell who does and doesn't. Hickman? Certainly does. Ewing? Almost positively. Tynion? Not so much.

Maybe this slip up had to do with Tynion accelerating things after quitting Batman for substack, but we're three issues into Fear State proper and I couldn't tell you what the point of most of this is yet.

Lol Quinn you're in excellent form with this one. I'm still trying to understand a Bat "event" where Batman is a peripheral character in his own book. Tynion cant leave this title quickly enough.

The "point" of this is to get Bruce Wayne out of Gotham. I'm Tynion would love to see some of his original characters stick around but hes in the minority on that score. Even the name Miracle Molly stinks.

Get Bruce out of town while sidekicks and a “new replacement” Batman “save” Gotham. Where did ? Oh yeah, when Morrison did his Bats not dead but is lost in time run. It is like DC does not know what to do with their most popular character. Writers create stories meant to show why Bruce is so dedicated and then say nah, anyone can put on the suit and be Bats. Pick a lane.

Heck Quinn they're even doing a riff on Battle for the Cowl with Tamakis Shadows of the Bat. But Fear State exists solely to get Bruce out of Gotham and Tynions original non starters as the new cast in Gotham. I'm betting that get dumped pretty quickly.

Like I said, they’ll do it just to be petty and deprive Tyrion of income, which works for me. You’re right, DC is just repeating past plots. They’ve been doing that for a while. King’s run was constantly rehashing old stories. This is nothing new.

This review's got some bite to it. Nice one.

I call them like I see them. See my Green Lantern Annual 1 review from a month ago for something that I really liked. I just hope DC follows up on Yellow Lantern Cruz. That is a story I want to read.

Very good review! The fact that Molly is straight up thinking like a villain, as in "I want to brainwash people for their own good to save them" and Tynion actually presents her as a hero tells you a lot about what Tynion's mindset is and that's the most scary thing here. The fact that people like him are "influencers" on social media is even scarier. I also say "good riddance" to him, I won't miss him as a writer. Also, why do you always end your reviews like that? :))

I'm not a pussy so I'm not afraid of comic book writers.

Simple. Nobody is always right and nobody is always wrong. And when I used to present my reviews and opinions (much more respectfully) online, people would get caught up in some minor point and the thread would be about that minor point and how I was wrong and the larger topic would be forgotten. Anyone who has posted on the Web has seen a thread that started as being about, say, never swing at a three and 0 pitch become why some guys deserved to be hit by a beanball.

But one time I admitted that I could be wrong about my controversial opinion and the thread went on as normal. I think that people on the Web don't mind being disagreed with, but they do mind being told that they're wrong. Over the years, I've changed my mind about things. Was I wrong in the first place? Not really, that was how I felt at the time. Also, just because I don't like, say, a writer (Denny O'Neil) doesn't mean that anyone who likes their stuff is wrong. These are opinions afterall.

Fair enough, it's a decent catchphrase, to be honest.

The Web is a perfect place to have a respectful exchange of different opinions.

The internet is honestly terrible for discussion. The disinformation and misinformation, along with the anonymity of the web, and the pervasiveness of every little conspiracy now being given a platform makes discussion very heated because there's no social backlash, and it makes people go crazy.

i.e. "I don't like that other people don't think like I want them to so it's bad".

If that's what you take away from that, then you're proof that online discussion is terrible.

It's just the translation of what you actually meant based on all your interactions with others, at least here.

Okay then

Quinn what's your take? We know williamson be writing globe trotting batman when DC throws him out of Gotham. I think DC doesn't quite have the guts to sideline Bruce completely like theyve done to Clark. The book is too good a seller.

Willingham killed Stephanie Brown, so I don’t care. The funny thing was that he wrote as a great Robin, but that was supposed to be a reward for getting killed. The cynicism of that still offends me. I don’t care that the higher ups ordered the death. Have the guts to stand by your opinions.

I think Ming is talking about WilliAMSON, not WilliNGHAM. :)

Yes Williamson taking over after Tynion leaves with 117. Dont get me started on how DC is handling Robin's. It appears the retconned Tim Drake is going after all the boys and may have dumped Bernard. This is what DC has reduced arguably their best Ribin to...a horny bi guy with a wandering eye. Funny...nearly 30 years of publishing history and Tim never appeared to be a bi player. DC is a dumpster fire right now.

What's wrong with promiscuous bisexuals? And I don't think any of that is based on anything other than rumors made up by clickbait "news" sites to get clicks.

Williamson, instead of Willingham, got it. Still mad after 17 years, but glad he’s not getting rewarded by writing DC’s best selling book. That’s right I carry a grudge.

So do I Quinn. I buy nothing with Tom Kings name on it.

Tynion leaves with issue 117 and not fast enough. He also leaves a mess for the writer following him.

omg, he didn't send Joshua, having to fix the Tynion's mess won't be easy.

Actually, it will be pretty easy, barley an inconvenience. (Sorry, I ripped that off.) Just write him better. Have Bruce say, wow, crazy times, but I will be better because I learned lessons. And then write smart stories. Also, I like the Simpsons solution where a judge says we won't refer to these stories upon pain of death.

The death penalty should be imposed on Tynion, Taylor and King for the appalling way they write. I agree with Q if Williams decides to fix this mess and if you allow him I can almost be sure that he achieves something more decent than this man with the nonexistent gift of writing.

First thing...work on bringing Alfred back. Second thing...dump Tynions original characters. Third thing make Batman the star of his own book again and understand what makes Batman/Bruce such a great character. If Williamson can do that hes well on the way to righting the ship.

Very unamerican to not support immigration.

K

And what are you telling me with Haitians who get carried away, things are not so easy, you have to look around the house first before taking someone else inside, if you have the possibility to do it then there must be a selection. The problem with politicizing fun is that you can't come up with childish solutions to such a complex problem.

So all the good reviews are “review bombs” by non readers but the bad reviews are all readers?

I don't know where you got that. You can rate it however you want, ranging from 1 to 10, I don't care. There is someone here, though, who rated it with 10, even though he admits he didn't read it. Sure, he says he'll delete the review tomorrow but up until then, the 10 is still there and it WILL influence people who will see the overall rating much higher because of that rating.

Does that include mean illegal immigration space? By the way those tens of thousands of Haitians (and more are on the way) were resettled in south Americaaround 2010. Theyve been tearing up their IDs to appear as if fresh from Haiti. You can be compassionate without being stupid.

Fenix Taylor is propagandizing not exploring solutions. Hes targeting mushy minds.

Careful there. That last bit, the one about "taking hits", sounded dangerously close to self-righteous.

I mean, I know that people will not like that I say these things, as you can very well see. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who think this way but don't want to get in trouble for it so they stay silent. That's how the mob always wins, by applying enough pressure on people until they shut up and just go about their business because they don't want to put up with their crazy. I don't want to put up with their crazy either but I don't see a solution either in shutting up.

Fair enough.

"The refugee crisis is an important issue and there is a lot to it, but this was clearly written by some white dude halfway across the world who has no actual clue what's going on here besides what Le CNN tells him." Thank you, this is what I was talking about. I don't think people who are not from a certain country should keep their mouths shut but if you're going to have an opinion about a country's political climate at least put some effort and read as much as you can from all sources

not just the ones you like. If you're going to just listen to CNN you're not going to have a fair view of the subject, nor if you're going to listen just to Fox. "Just because a book validates your politics doesn't make it amazing, or mean people who don't like it are "bigoted" or whatever." I'm afraid that's exactly what is happening with people here, some are even rating it with 10 without reading it.

As for the part where " it also doesn't mean just because someone whose politics differ from", if you were referring to me, I feel the need to add, if the story was good and not ham-fisted like this I would rate it higher, even if I'm not a fan of Tom Taylor. But this is just pandering to the left and nothing else, no nuance and is full of a lot of plain falsehoods. I CAN like comics from writers I don't like, I love Taylor's Injustice, I can' wait for the animated movie.

Good review. Some solid points were brought up.

Okay, so can you please elaborate further on your problems with the first page? You're unhappy that Sam Wilson says people can't validate Steve Rogers because he might be a descendent of slave owners. Is that true?

I'm unhappy that Sam and Steve, two best friends, two people who have been through so much are put by Cantwell in a position where Sam is saying to Steve that he can't validate him because of what his ancestors may have done. Do you realize how poisonous of a world view that it? To blame one of your best friends for something one of his ancestors MAY have done hundreds of years ago? It's frivolous and frankly, it's pretty racist too.

"And why are the Vietnamese shown as ignorant confusing the X-Men with the Avengers?" because the writer is white american and still think vietnamiis like it was 1970.

It sucks. I used to like Taylor a lot. However, ever since Infinite Frontier, he seems obsessed with becoming the loudest voice in DC’s best (worst?) impression of All-New Marvel Now.

Thank you! This is what I always say but Taylor fanboys just don't get it. He's lost his mind and it shows in his writing.

Someone was telling me that it is not even the fault of the writers and it's because the publishers are obsessed with sanctioning creativity and seek to look morally superior, also are looking for the young public, due to this self-imposed trend. That is why now adult characters like Dick act like puberty boy with a lot of stupid stories.

Neah, that may be the case for other writers but not for Taylor. Just check his twitter, he is obsessed with this sort of stuff. DC is definitely looking for that sjw, tumblr crowd but Taylor didn't merely adopted the wokeness, he was born it it, molded by it.

They're cowards writers with lazy writing, and of course cheap. Have you seen that they put the brown jacket on Dick? That is something I hate about this writers are doing to the character, dissolve his true personality more and more, in a comic they have seen him as Eren Jaeger from shingeki no kyojin, in this they put the jacket equal to Jason's, in Titans it is a combination of Jason Todd with Tim Drake using his cane. I no longer really know what Dick Grayson is he.

the only constant actually is he've a big-butt, well this maybe matter if you're gay. Now Taylor copies Urban Legends and FSG making Bruce call Dick son so that everyone says this is emotional and cry a lot. I don't feel like there was a need for a fluffy fan fiction dialogue, could do a really emotional dialogue here.

I do not know until when this unreal tendency of weak people will end without having the balls to really criticize society or stop being stupid and do something that excites. I do not know until when this unreal tendency of weak people will end without having the balls to really criticize society or stop being stupid and do something that excites and amuses. Damn delicate and crying generation and a Milenian says it. Having said that, I'm off to shit,

sorry, for venting here with my very bad Madrid English, but you are one of the few fans with two brains, that's why many crazy people envy you and harass you.

I don't thin envy me, I think they're just so used to their eco-chambers that when someone tells them in their faces that what they like is actually not good, they just can't take it. I've seen it several times and not just here.

Vent all you like, there's no problem but just be sure to add a review when there's a book you don't like. Otherwise the people who don't even read it and just rate it 10 because they like Taylor are pushing an unrealistic rating.

This entire thread is the Dunning-Kruger effect come to life. “Eco-chamber” LOL. Holy shit, imagine the narcissistic ego it takes to criticize anyone’s writing while spelling at a 2nd grade level.

Did you have something to say or you just don't know how to ask to get blocked? Because I didn't read a meaningful message there and I'm really tired of having to deal with idiots like you spamming me.

You'd do well to answer or the next one is a permanent block.

It's not the first time when you spam my comments section without actually having ANYTHING OF VALUE to say, just for the sake of spamming, and I'm tired of entertaining a coward who couldn't even admit he made up a fake account to attack me.

I really hit a nerve, didn’t I? You’re still hung up a day later on me mocking your terrible review and subsequent comments, which are more hung up “SJW’s” than on the actual book. Go ahead and block me, it’s your go-to move, like every other right wing blowhard. You don’t know how to construct an argument which is why your reviews read like they’re written by a child. We both know you’d lose an argument to a wall so you don’t really stand a chance with me.

:))))))))) I don't stand a chance against a coward who feels the need to hide behind fake accounts. Sure, buddy, keep telling yourself that. Ok, so since my reviews are written by a child, you don't need to see them anymore. Permanent block. As in, I'll never unblock you because it's, like, the tenth time when I give you a chance and you either lie, spam or insult me through fake accounts. I'll still review all those Tom King books so you can have a meltdown anytime I review them. :))

I’m the one having the meltdown? Sure sweetie. Keep lying to yourself. You blocked me during an argument, I created an account to continue said argument, and then you pretend to be some sort of savant for this. It’s fucking hilarious and makes me sad for you.

Byyyeee!

Go have another temper tantrum about black people being in your comments or SWJ’s or whatever Tucker Carlson is telling you to be mad about this week. You aren’t worth any more of my time

Lol, dude was probably refreshing this page like a maniac, he managed to post a comment in the 10 seconds it took me to block him. :))

lol what a pussy, can't take the slightest agreement like a real NPC. Enjoy your echo chamber.

Thank you, totally not insane guy who makes an account named like that.

You get offended by everything, don't you?

I'm going to apply the same logic I applied with Loafy and ask you: Do you actually have somethinf useful to say or are just spamming? Because spamming leads to block. Not to mention, by the username, you're clearly not right in the head. So make up your mind fast, so I know if I have to block you or not.

Raping children is wrong, Merlyboy.

Ok, block it is since you obviously have mental health issues.

Nightwing has become a children's series with idiotic solutions one after another. That sums it up from my point of view

A character that stole the gear and identity of a man he doesn't like to fight some uninteresting war on privilege and turn Batman into Robin Hood. Worst structured is an understatement.

You literally just listed aspects that added to this character and but listed them as negatives. Why?

Toonstrack, you have a right to believe being a hit-and-run killer (SS #8-9), advocate of "right" to kill "people who deserved it" (SS #11), racist family advocacy (SS #8-9) as "aspects" "adding" to a character. That is your opinion. In my opinion, these all detract from a character. And they would detract from a character, if he found a GL ring, Starman cosmic rod, or costume of any other "costumed hero." Not just finding a Batman costume. But *ESPECIALLY* Batman, because of Batman's values.

Lol...you broke Toony Bats.

When he's out of arguments, he just shuts up. Though you're lucky, Bats, he could always call you a racist and "win" the argument, that's how it always works for him and his ilk.

Noticed on Twitter, "#BatmanDay" currently has about 133,000 Tweets. Of the 133,000 Tweets (at this moment), there are some for Jace Fox too. I could count them. There are 13. That is 13 out of 133,000 Tweets. DC Comics: I don't need to do the percentage for you, right?

Once Comixology goes full-time on Amazon, the reviews won't be just the "professional reviewers" getting preview copies to give PR to DC Comics no matter what they point out. Once those DC Comics get on Amazon comments, you will see a completely different marketplace message.

Great observations Bats. We ve gone over the various reason why Ridleys character isn't going over. The sales speak for themselves..with every Tim Fox book (including trades) the first few issues do well them they drop out of the too 50. By contrast every other bat bat centric book remains in the top 50. As we ve discussed Tim Fox is a poorly conceived character who's stories and mission are not appealing to the audience that buys the bat books. That may change with better writing and art.

But as of right now Tim Fox appears to be "Batman" by DC edict alone. The fans arent buying it.