It is in character for Loki and Donald killed a lot of people, him getting away scot-free would've been wrong.

I agree. Blake didn't deserve that ending.

I could care less about he feels about Hal. Thorne is an arrogant dick and if you're going to be an arrogant dick, at least be good at writing.

Do you like something *other* than Batman?

Yes, I do.

But you could have easily seen that just by seeing what books I review but I guess that wouldn't have been as passive-aggresive as "yOu oNlY lIkE bAtMaN".

But surely star lord becoming the master of the sun, the two moon dragons becoming one, Hercules joining the team as well as marvel boy, and the guardians now being policed and not a free lance team has changed a lot? I don’t see how we’re back to square one. Also I’m not trying to be like rude or anything I’m just genuinely curious

I think you unfairly underrate comics you don't like. I mean, for example, 1.0 to Zdarky's Daredevil? That's just insulting, not a honest rate. Square one? I do not understand your point. Maybe you wish some charachters have died or something, but, square one? Don't make me laugh.

I don't like anything he's done with Star-Lord. He's neither the soldier-ish version from the comics, nor the funny dude from the movie. He's a zen hobo who constantly looks unaware of his surroundings, kinda like Biden. Couldn't care less about the moondragons becoming one. And the Guardians now being police came completely of nowhere, he spent literally two pages on "building" that. More or less, they're in the same place they were in at the beginnig, nothing of essence has changed.

You don't need to kill characters to make them grow or change the position of the characters in their microverse. Hickman didn't kill anyone in HoX-PoX and he managed to completely reshape the mutants and their position in the Marvel universe. Ewing also didn't kill Hulk, he kinda destroyed the concept of killing Hulk if anything but he still managed to create a very interesting premise and a good run. This is clearly not that. This is just him self-indulging in the worst aspects of his writing.

" He's a zen hobo who constantly looks unaware of his surroundings, kinda like Biden." OMG I laughed at this. His star-lord is very crap. moondragon becoming one with a kiss was a choice, like really? just a kiss so they become one, esier and nonsense way to solve a duplicate. I agree that this run is self-indulging on his Ewigsms, no wonder sales for this are bad. he is writing just for the die hards

Yeah, they argued his whole run, there was absolutely no consensus and understanding between the two and then in a second they just waved all that away and they were all okey-dokey. Ewing is a good writer when he has some sort of editorial control over him, I liked his Immortal Hulk and his Loki but then left to his own devices he can be pretty terrible. I remember his pitch for what he wanted to do next with Loki and suffice to say, Marvel pulled the plug on it and with good reason.

He had a lot of space books and team books and he's not very good at neither, I feel like he's better on solo books. Though his start on SWORD so far has been pretty good.

If you think this is "back to square one" you haven't been paying attention at all

Absolute brain-rot on display with this review.

I did say I won't block you but if you keep spamming me just because I don't like what you like I'm afraid I'll have to roll back on that.

That sounds like hypocrisy to me.

From you? Sure. Weren't you the one complaining that I comment on your posts without bringing any arguments? It sure looked like that's what you did here.

Okay, well, we can talk about how most of the cast morphs from issue one to issue twelve, plus the numerous things that had to be set up to allow for the new status quo. These last twelve issues have achieved a ton, and this is in no way "square one".

For the characteres themselves, nothing changed. And what changed aka hobo-StarLord is pretty shitty.

You literally just said "The characters didn't change but how one of the character did change was bad"

Yes, what's the problem? I said the same thing in an earlier comment. For most of the characters nothing changed and for the one character that KINDA changed the direction was bad.

For Gamora, Groot and Rocket nothing changed. Moondragon and Phyla argued the whole book and then reconciled in one page all of a sudden, coming back to the initial stage of their relationship. Hercules is even more weak. The Prince was so cringey it hurt. The only character that Ewing treated well was Nova, that's the only thing I liked. And Cabal's art. A lot of minuses and very, very few good things.

So how is that square one?

Well, none of them grew, they're basically in the same position they were in before #1.

Moondragon is not even the same character as she was before issue one.

But her whole drama with Phyla went nowhere, they argued the whole book and at the end they were like "we're cool k". Great character development. :))

That's not where they left off though. They left off with Phyla admitting that she doesn't love Moondragon. That's not "we're cool K".

Yeah, she "doesn't love all of her" but she wants to "know it all", so they're still together, same as before #1. I'm getting really tired of this back and forth so long story short: I think this was terrible and I stick by it, you think this is good. It's just that I'm tired of all these comments and it's not like you're eager to move away from you what you think of the book and neither will I.

That's overly essentializing. I know you need to keep things basic, but the depth of the average comic goes beyond that.

Depth lol =)))) Yeah, sure, this comic was deep.

The joke was that comics aren't very deep, and yet they still go beyond your comprehension. You missing the joke is like a cherry on top.

The "joke" was no joke at all, or maybe it was all in your head and you forgot to write it down. :))

I get that it's your schtick to deny reality, but don't try to make it mine.

“Tramps and hobos are commonly lumped together, but see themselves as sharply differentiated. A hobo or bo is simply a migratory laborer; he may take some longish holidays, but sooner or later he returns to work. A tramp never works if it can be avoided; he simply travels.”

Both are really bad ideas. They need to focus on stories of him as Superman, I would live to see them kill of Jon...Maybe have Superman IDing him in the morgue with an X ray showing where a villain stuffed Jon's cranium. lol

Remember what this all really about. The timeline has now opened up into 1 continuous timeline. "Everything Matters" and when Wonder Woman agreed to do it, the risk was that not everyone would make it, some characters would come back different but others would survive. Roy is back because of the timeline. He doesn't know why and we even have to find out what this Roy even will be our remember. Technically, this shows Batman coming back from the dead as the timeline corrects and opens.

And as for alan scott, that is showing that when the timeline opened into one, some characters with conflicting clversions get combined into one. Alan Scott was gay in the New 52 Earth 2 book and when the timeline combined, alan Scott realized he was gay now because of the combination of versions of himself. That's trying to show evrrything matters. Btw, i'm not sure that you know his son is gay as well.

I'll be honest I've never read Alan Scott but I think it's unfair if they make him look like a scammer on this issue. And as I underlined this part, it was something personal that reminded me of friends who were hurt by cheating.

I will not take the points that I drop because of this story. On the other hand, the appearance of Roy is still bad, I clarify I love that Roy is back I like the character, but without an explanation this is almost laughable, someone waved his magic wand and we have him back.

Thanks for your kind comments @Weird Science Jim , I didn't like how Alan was guided but I'll skip that part.

PS I don't know if your son is gay or not and it doesn't matter as long as the character has a good development. but I don't read them, I'm more of a Marvel fan, I really started reading DC after Arkham Knight (I loved Jason Todd's character) and although after Judd they haven't told him good stories, it's because of the only one I read DC, Batman I like or used to like beforeafter the declaration of Bat conCat everything became a filler with few interesting things.

sorry his son. pff

The thing with ROy was literally waving a magic wand. Wonder Woman opened up all the DC timelines and made them one at the end of Death metal. Don't get caught up that Roy was dead because almost everyone was dead! Remember, going back to the books after Death Metal doesn't mean Death Metal didn't happen. Death Metal was the end of continuity/timeline. Death Metals ending set up a whole new "everything matters" timeline where a lot of things were reset and combined.

The explanation of Roy being back is that the timeline has combined and reset. That's how everyone is back. It's really spelled out right before Roy with Oliver and Dinah - they are even researching what a changed timeline means. DC was not as clear as they should have been, but it is a soft continuity reboot where a lot of characters will be brought back (some might be gone) and they will have to figure out who they really are.

Since you haven't read DC, the Alan Scott thing makes more sense because in the New 52 (the most current continuity), He was a Gay man on Earth 2 without kids. This reset of the timeline combining all things combines that with his past pre-crisis and flashpoint stuff and to make a combined version. It may play like deciet and cheating, but it's the timeline trying to make a bunch of different characters work as one.

"Everything Matters" is the slogan so just making him a gay guy without kids leaves out stuff or just going back to pre-crisis stuff leaves out stuff. I mean, just having him back and not being 90 years old shows the combining of versions. Remember, Death Metal ended with a BOOM! timelines combined. This is Alan waking up one day and realizing that he was gay (New 52), but also had kids and wives, etc. It would be like waking up from years of amnesia of a bunch of past lives

again, I think it could have been spelled out better and even played better, but they wanted to keep the gay aspect from New 52, but also have the kids

i am glad you are giving DC I try! I went opposite way and started reading more marvel a bit ago!

Death metal I gave up on its second stage, whow how nice to explain all this madness to me. It is a headache for those of us who only follow only a few characters and the canon.

I stopped reading Marvel for a while and now with King in Black I resumed it and The Amazing Spaiderman reminds me why Marvel has been my favorite, even so I do not want any of the publishers to close, only that I feel a great drop in quality in numbers by DC for a little over a year.

i get it - i haven't been overly positive with DC for a bit either

...Yara hasn't ever been to Brazil, her story said it was her first time there since she left as a baby so how would she know what they say? Also you misspelled Brazil.

Axolotl - actually the Brazilian way of spelling "Brazil" is "Brasil."

Oh really? Cool, the more you know.

Maybe they should have hired someone from Brasil to write about a Brasilian character -- instead Joelle admits she'll write Yara as if she grew up in Idaho, trying to discover her Brasilian identity, because Joelle herself is from Idaho.

She created the character, though, so we are stuck with her

You're pathetic. Tom King fanboys are obviously going to read a book *written* for fans of his Batman. It sounds like you only read it because you don't like the idea that, without you, it might have a positive user score. Your review is even almost entirely that. Maybe people wouldn't be giving it those 10s if Tom King didn't have a band of no-brain stalkers review bombing his work, while openly admitting they have no other reason to be reading it.

Also, maybe that was a bit hostile of me, and I am actually sorry about that. I just can't put myself in that mindset. Like if I hate a writer, I'm not likely to follow them on their side endeavours.

King cant write Batman it's that simple. He was yanked off the main title 15 issues early. He was given this run as consolation. Did we expect a sudden rise in quality? What's the common thread with nearly all of Kungs work on Batman? The art was good. Not the song quotes. Not the literature quotes. Not the bat/cat dialogue. Not the rehashed plots. Then DC hands the reins to Tynion. A mediocre hack protege of Snyder who gives us Joker War a rehash of city of Bane a rehash of Knightfall.

Bat fans are champing at the bit for a good Batman run again. DC gives us Tynion and Tamaki after King ground the title to halt with his lethargic writing. Batman black and white has been the only fix for Bat fans currently and that's not enough. DC needs to wake up and shake King Tynion and Snyder loose.

I'm a huge Bat fan and I loved Tom King's Batman. Don't assume for the rest of us. Batman has been written with many different voices for 85 years, and Tom King is one of them. His writing style was a lot more esoteric than most Batman titles, but that's what made it good to me. My point here is you know exactly what you're getting now with Batman/Catwoman, it's no longer the main Bat book and probably never should have been. If you read it and expect differently after 85 examples, it's on you

Also can we please stop getting stuck on nicknames? They call each other Bat and Cat. Yes. They have for like 70 issues probably now. It's their gross couple nicknames.

I do get what you mean though. I personally am okay with Tynion IV's Batman, but compared to the past there has been a lack of like big bread and butter Batman stories. I personally hope Chip Zdarsky can throw his hat into the ring soon.

You're entitled to enjoying king on batman but he early departure on the title speaks volumes. The stuck on nicknames thing is merely a glaring example of how kings dialogue for batman grates on so many fans. Its banal to the point of being stupidly so.

It's one thing to have a writing style its another to constantly utilize literary and song quotes in lieu of actual writing. King cant seem to let that crutch go.

Tynion is very lazy and uncreative to me. Joked war was with of bane which had just happened and city of bane king made no mystery of saying is his fleshed out knightfall. DC has to get a better writer on the flagship title. Heck yes Zdarsky a shot.

And yeah I'm a huge batman myself that's why I hate seeing the character done a disservice like this. Again..art is subjective..you enjoy kings work on batman I see his take as lethargic and contrived. We both seem to agree on Tynion to various degrees though.

Oh look, an angry fanboy, just what I expected. :)) Turns out King didn't put enough "mrrow" in the book and he's upset about it. Look, dude, first of all, I'm not the only one rating it low here in case you didn't notice. Second, no, King's writing is not smart, he just makes people feel smart because of his pretentious style and people feel the need to feel smart so rate it with 10. Stop being so butthurt because you realised you're not as smart as you thought you were.

And no, I don't hate King, I actually liked his Batman up until #50. But after that he started to rest on his laurels and actually started believing he is this Alan Moore of today, fans indulged him and now we have... this. This is not good. It's just not. And if the name on the cover was any other writer, it would've been rated with 5 and 6. But since it's King, people are actually pretending it's good which is a problem.

There are 8 other people here who rated it under 5. I'm not alone in this, as much as you want to believe that.

You're far more patient with kings batman than I was merlyn. I was cautious with the Gotham girl storyline because super powered types need really good writing to fit in Gotham. Then...rooftops hit...I tuned King out after that issue. I came back for I am bane only for the art (there's that well the art is good) and I got the pre doomsday clock issues purely for completion on the future series.

After that king couldnt lure me back. The literature quotes. The song quotes. The stupid bat/cat banter. The snail pace. City of Bane being a RIP off of knightfall. Then killing Alfred..sorry..cant buy that.

No, I actually liked his run up until there. Snyder did wonders with Batman but at some point he was running out of ideas and it was showing. King came with a breath of fresh air, pretty good ideas and I was all for it. Then he started to make Batman this depressed guy (because he was having a breakdown because of politics lol). After that he decided just for the sake of it to split Batman from Selina. Then he made Thomas Wayne a villain, again, because King has daddy issues.

And he started to throw all his weird ideas and rantings about religion and politics in the comics. The fact that the storylines were awful didn't help either, Knightmares and City of Bane were abysmal. And now this. I get being a Tom King fan, he can write good comics. But that doesn't mean that out of pure fanboy-ism we should pretend that shitty comics are good when they're not.

Also, this dude could've just look at the previous issue where I didn't rate it that bad, I gave it a 7, above the 6.7 fan average. But he's too blinded by his rage and it's easier for him to think that we're "hating" on his idol rather than just telling it how it is.

Okay first of all, I am a Tom King fanboy, I do admit that. I like most of his work, except HiC. Being upset about his run at all is fine with me, especially if you felt betrayed by issue 50. I think a lot of people did. I did come off as a bit hostile. My bad. I'm in the wrong. I have seen large groups of people harassing Tom King and everything he does, I may have mistaken you for that. Also again nothing wrong with disagreeing with me on his Batman.

I was only drawn to this comment because of you being mad at us who enjoy it. I think I overreacted in my initial reply.