How is that misogynistic?

How is taking women’s suffering for granted not misogynistic? Tynion just blatantly ignored there were two female victims of Alan’s cowardice.

Alan literally says he loved them with all his mind, and he was hiding how he felt about men from even himself back then. This is something that happened to many gay men, especially one or two generations ago. But go off with you whiny BS I guess

@Bitchwitcher.I agree with you.This guy or girl only wants to whine for the sake of whining.

Imagine if men complain about female video characters killing more men than women in video games.LOL

FYI: Gay people cannot be sexually attracted to women. What he said is a plain lie to excuse himself. Did he tell his wives he is a gay? Did he tell the truth when he impregnated his wife? Of course it happened that a gay man used another innocent woman to avoid the pressure of the society, sacrificing a poor woman‘a life for his own sake and it’s a shame it still happens and many misogynists just like you consider it’s not a big deal. How proud you are to be one.

I’m talking about there are a group of women who are cheated by their gay husband in real life. They have to face with their husbands who don’t love them and are more likely to be infected with sexual transmitted diseases. This book understated women’s role in marriages like this. And you think it’s a joke like video games. See, that’s just what a misogynist do.

excuse me, but this kind of deception is aberrant and if there is misogyne, a man who does that to a woman is because he hates his gender, I have a friend who was in that situation, just because the unfortunate wanted to have a child.

That act is not only not of a superhero, it is not of a person with a little empathy, it is selfish.

You know alan scott has been gay in this continuity for over 10 years? This is the opening and combining of timelines so things like this end up happening. Infinite frontier is about what happens when ypu open up the entire timeline and a characters past all gets melded into one. The alan scott part is there to show how hypertime makes it work.

Its not alan acting any way! It's the timeline making it work

@MaudBenjamin if we want to blame this bizarre game of Who Wants To Be A Bigot then I could accuse you of homophobia by ignoring the societal pressure for men to marry women and have kids and to never ever do something so insane as to be gay. But I'm not gonna do that because you're clearly just a whiny troll with nothing better to do on a tuesday. Have fun sweetie

Gay men have had entire families with women. Love isn't just sexual attraction. This sort of thing was a lot more common than you'd think. No one was being used. Gay men go through denial and repress themselves because society and culture tells them it's wrong to be gay. This doesn't happen as much anymore because luckily, society has progressed when it comes to its treatment of LGBT people. Of course, your responses reveal your blatant homophobia, so I doubt you actually give a shit about women

People... this also has to do with every comic book version of a character coming together at once. Alan Scott was gay in the new 52 and when that character version was combined with every other one, you end up with a guy who is conflicted about his past. It’s a timeline thing as much as a moral thing. This isn’t a reboot of the character, it’s a combination of past continuities and shows how that causes character conflict.

Or are all looking at it as Alan Scott just deciding now. Imagine what would happen if there were 5.different versions of you and in an instant, they were combined together. What would happen if 2 of the 5 were gay, a different sex, good vs evil? That is what is happening here and actually sets up crazy possibilities with things down the road, not just about sexual preference, but in finding out what characters remember.

@Psycamorean Which part don’t you understand about Alan had two children with his wife? And I’ve said it, transferring the pressure from the society to another woman is selfish. Just because he feels bad doesn’t mean he has the right to deceive another people.

I know this is a continuity issue but I’m just mad how ill-considered it was done.

It's people like you that make individuals like Alan stay in the closet for so long living a lie. Grow up, accept that the world changes, and understand that life isn't always as simple as a comic book.

Oh did I forced gays to cheat their wives?

Nothing in the comic suggests he even cheated on his wives! And you know, people don't consciously decide, "I'm going to let society crush me today!" He never deceived anyone except himself! He loved those women, but denied himself. Which is a very common thing among gay people, and as I said, no one decides to do that, it just happens because people are complex social animals that are influenced by a multitude of things, both internally and externally! There's no morality debate here!

Repeating "a gay" over and over again really diminishes any real point you were trying to make.

Gay men aften cheat on their wives. How do you think he figured out he was gay? LOL

Just like straight people don't know they're straight until they've had sex, right?

Are you serious with that last part? " Straight people don't know they're straight until they've had sex"? Lol. Like that happened, EVER. :))

My point was that straight people don't have to have sex to realize that they are attracted to the opposite gender, and the same is true of gay people and their attraction to same gender. Maelstron thinks that gay people must have sex to figure out that they are gay. Maelstron is wrong. Maybe that clears it up for you.

Wow, you have no taste in artwork

Buddy, you have wayyyyy to high expectations. I bet your those type of people to pay $1,000 for a painting with random lines and call it “art”

Wow, insulting a person you don't know over thier simply stating their personnel opinion on something. Classy! I hope you feel better about yourself now.

I do actually, especially when met with people with trash taste

Well bullies do tend to lack in intellect so I'm not surprised that you do. Now go be a good little village idiot and troll someone else. BYE!!!

I believe that people have the right to their own opinion, if you liked me well for you and if not too. Personally, I am someone who likes comics and REAL BOOKS and there are really things that DC is doing that leaves much to be desired for my taste, but I do not go through life insulted who does not share my opinion.

Not a fan of the art as well.

The art was actually good, certainly better than the "shiny" trash in BatCat and the story was certainly better than Tom King's. That's how just some people like to draw, I don't know what you're complaining about.

Don't understand the idea that someone isn't allowed to like art because that's how "some people like to draw". Do you like everything you see, hear and taste because that's how some people like to do it? It's subjuctive and everybody can like or dislike whatever they want!

Thank you Weird Science Jim and DC Stuff

Superboy Prime is one of the worst DC villains who deserves to be bullied!!! And the jimmy Lex thing was from the Jimmy Olsen book that ended in july.

Important things happening unmentioned off-panel seems to be a running theme in Howard's writing, both here and in Strikeforce.

They showed them earlier in Excalibur series

But not their capture or escape. Howard should've just held off on their story until after X Of Swords

This kind of thing has been frustrating me for years. I followed a user called "Something" who left exclusively 1 star reviews for Batman (2016). Often it was even before the release date. With Jokerman I worry it may be his legitimate opinion, and hardly anyone on this site actually properly uses the 20 point scale. Everyone seems to have their own idea of how the scale works. I consider green to be good, yellow to be so-so, and red to be practically unreadable. Homepage guideline?

I think a guideline would be useful. I tend to rate things as though 5/10 is average, which doesn't necessarily mesh well with the colors, but I feel like it's a better overall scale.

@Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - It's fine if it's his legit opinion. What would help add color to it is if some form of reason accompanies the rating. Without it it just comes across as unnecessary trashing of books (no pun intended).

Man. You give the same score (1/10) to everycomic. This means you don't read comics.

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I can talk about this but you do not understand. Because you are a child

He continues to give only 1s and 10s.

First off, .5 exist, thats what he means by 20 point scale. And second, its bugging people way more than it needs to. While yes, his extreme 1-10 style of rating is dumb, those options are there for him, people look at the actual reviews and critic reviews instead of merely looking at the big green/yellow/red average.

@Liem Duong - you're right. We (myself included) are actually letting it bug us more than it needs to. While I can't speak for others, my "involvement" is a personal thing. I don't mind anyone rating a book as 1 or -50; I'd just like to know why they did save for a generic "it's bad". I see sites like these as a place people can converse on a shared interest as against solely as a rating platform (which may or may not be the original intent). True JM doesn't OWE anyone an explanation...

...but I'm of the opinion (yes MY opinion) that if one is going to talk about a comic, they should talk about it. But yeah...

I disagree. I come looking for quality reviews on what comics are good and what aren’t. When someone bases their scores on a 2 point basis, it’s not a quality review, it’s trolling. We all know everything he’s “reads” isn’t a masterpiece and isn’t trash.

My suggestion is take the 2 lowest and the 2 highest notes to do the median note. yeah going 1 or only 10 isn't relaly a review. Specially when you see the comments that the person didn't really read the comic

no you don't; putting a bunch of exclamation points after just proves how trash you are.

your "reviews" would say otherwise; you flaming pile of trash.

Dan- can we remove him yet?

Dan can you remove his account?

I love looking at the User Reviews, especially on books I've reviewed myself, and because most users, unlike "official reviewers", usually pay for their books, I do understand lower scores. You do have to explore the space a bit more Jokerman and use the whole range of scores or people will tune you out. I will give you credit for at least writing a review most of the times as the 1s and 10s without write-ups are the real problem on the user reviews IMO. Just give more reasons for each score.

"Just give more reasons for each score." this implies that they're intelligent enough to provide concise insights as to why everything is "trash": a few of his last reviews literally start with "the cover is dumb so i knew it was going to suck" this asshole needs to be banned, or i, and maybe quite a few others, will use some other site for reference.

this is an aggregate site so you want different opinions, plus, you can ignore whomever you want and use the critics score as well, Father_Gascoigne

His scores usually tank the overall score, giving a false impression of how readers responded to the issue in question. And, like it or not, critics in comics are not up to snuff. More readers depend on that user score to make a decision.

Jokerman and his reviews are gone. Let's all move on now and get back to enjoying our trash comics.

I don't know that more readers depend on it overall, but there is a certain group that seem pretty dedicated to the user reviews.

I think the blocker was a lie - he is dead and doesn't want WW to find out

Actually was told It’s not a female thing and was given a bunch of examples of the same thing happening to male writers as well. It is a thing that DC is doing to all “mid-level” writers. A few big writers are allowed to do what they want and the rest are made to do what dc tells them or be replaced

Remember, the same thing was going on with Marc Andreyko on this book and some other male writers on other books as well (Batman and the outsiders and Wonder Woman are two examples). It is more of how DC is treating everyone but the 3-4 big writers

I was told by writers (who just maybe ones who wrote this series) that editorial made all the choices and threw them at the writers who had to try to make some sort of story around them.

Yeah, that sounds like something DC's editorial would do. Explains a lot.

100%

Clearly you haven’t read Guardians or Ultimates

Guardians is a nothing story so far and I have not read Ultimates

I have read Avengers, Royals, US Avengers, No Road Home, New Avengers...

Not a fan of Helena at all! Selina seems to try to lose the baby while pregnant and also seems mad and depressed, yet bruce does nothing to help her. And just tjink of the ending, it's played off as the first moment that Selina tells her daughter she cares for her.

As a celebration of the charactet, it makes selina a real jerk

I never thought of Catwoman as a selfless character. I do think she'd be the way she is in that story. I don't think the implication that Bruce wasn't helpful was intentional. And I don't think the ending is being played that way.

oh no! they actually let Tom King's poisoned hands touch this??? .....HAHAHAHAHA!!! oh DC! when will you ever learn. ....so F@#$%ng glad that i kept my $10 in my pocket.

It adds some more to that Batman Annual #2 story from a few years back. I think the upcoming Batman/Catwoman series will actually take place in that universe, rather than the DCU proper.

too bad Tom King's ENTIRE $#@tty run didn't just get dumped off as that ridiculous universe that he created for his Annual #2.

Honestly, that annual is the high point of his run. Something about it worked very well, so to add to it is a bad move on King's part. Especially since he can't seem to get past his obsession with Bat/Cat banner.

honestly he just needs to ever write these characters again. ...like EVER. .....he just can't help himself tbut o ruin everything that he touches.

His miniseries are usually better (aside from Heroes in Crisis). He just needs to stick to those and stay away from ongoings and events. That probably limits his advancement as a writer, but he's shown that he doesn't really understand how an ongoing works. He can't pace it correctly and he can't make it cohesive. And his strong suit is writing characters that no one minds being changed completely so events are a definite no go.

yeah. he has absolutely zero clue how to handle an ongoing. events from previous issues had absolutely no bearing on the very next issue. after Nightwing was shot in the head, Batman goes after KGBeast, and there's no mention of Dick Grayson or cucumber sandwiches from there after. ...his writing seriously reads like parody.

He may as well have been writing an anthology book sometimes. Hell, his longest arc *was* an anthology.