Pretty much sums up all of Kings Batman output as far as I'm concerned.

yep! broken record writing

Do you expect any of them to stick?

Punchline might and even she is old news after nothing backups in Joker. Seems like Tynion lost interest in her

Shes the one they put the most promotion behind as a replacement for Farley quinn. Shes not really caught on though. I think she has to work with the joker before she has a chance on her own.

I think writers will dump most of them. Williamson already has a new villian teed up for globe trotter batman.

Okay, so can you please elaborate further on your problems with the first page? You're unhappy that Sam Wilson says people can't validate Steve Rogers because he might be a descendent of slave owners. Is that true?

I'm unhappy that Sam and Steve, two best friends, two people who have been through so much are put by Cantwell in a position where Sam is saying to Steve that he can't validate him because of what his ancestors may have done. Do you realize how poisonous of a world view that it? To blame one of your best friends for something one of his ancestors MAY have done hundreds of years ago? It's frivolous and frankly, it's pretty racist too.

Odd being drawn by an anti-Semite

I guess so? Anti-semites don't exactly know the religion well. And as the artist, it's not like he controls what's written in the comic. What does this have to do with my review though?

Just an odd juxtaposition of story meaning and artist… I wouldn’t actually know about it though since I would never support anyone involved with such hate

Yeah, it's odd, but you can buy the issue without directly supporting Joe Bennett. Artists get paid via commission. He's already been paid, he's not getting more from you buying a comic he drew. The most you could argue buying the issue would do is give Marvel incentive to rehire him because his name brings in sales, however they've blacklisted him publicly so that wouldn't happen.

I don't think they would ever rehire him, I still won't buy anything he is a part of ever again including this book. Everybody can decide on their own though.

Maybe wait till it goes on Marvel Unlimited.

https://youtu.be/zMVkZGm4L_I Joe fell off hard, just take a look at the losers interviewing him.

I think you're seeing something that's not there.

i think your blind

"you're" that is, before you correct me on that as well!

I don't know what's so similar about the runs aside from that surface level comparison you made that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Considering the logic you put forth, Zdarsky's Daredevil is just Tom King's Batman too.

I've read up to #8 of this run and a good chunk of King's Batman. There are clear differences between both series than make them distinct from each other and not related, despite both series having female supporting characters.

it is funny that others are starting to see exactly what I mean this week...

and as far as Zdarsky's Daredevil - it is superior to Tom King's Batman and this book because it's not the surface level BS King and Cantwell dish out!

to continue the comparison and bring in your own review - King made Batman brooding and miserable (he is always that) and Cantwell makes Tony an egotistical douche (he is always that), yet get praised for "humanizing the character" even though it is what is always done. This is nothing new at all but is praised because Cantwell (like King) makes Tony struggle a bit and it's so mind blowing to see it - though it happens all the time

Haven't read the newest issue, I'm severely behind. But I don't think what you said is a meaningful comparison. Are the runs similar or is reaction to them similar? As for surface level BS, I think this complaint is from people who don't like minimalist storytelling in their comics. Both runs clearly have more to say than you think they did. And I say that as someone who didn't like Tom King's Batman.

So it’s minimalist, but has more to say?

Minimalism does not equate to having nothing to say.

In this case, I beg to differ!

Well, you can beg all you want, I guess.

Especially how all of this ends up

Three issues and Tynion is gone from Batman. Hes kept Batman a side character in his own book while giving us characters like miracle Molly, clownshoes and ghostfarter. A beer says they get dropped off the book as soon as possible when he leaves.

Excuse me what I'm going to say, but what the fuck was this? I hated it, I was about to put 1.5 on it, but it stopped me that I don't usually read this story constantly. I'm not a fan of boyscout but I think it deserved more, not this weak pretext painted with pain. Arrrghhh

This was the beginning of the replacement of all our heroes. Batman is being replaced, Diana is already gone, Arthur and Clark are next. DC is going full 5G.

I'm not sure DC has the stones to replace Bruce Merlyn. Williamson is taking over the main book in 4 issues and Tamaki is keeping Tec.

Diana is returning next issue of Wonder Woman btw…

Has DC blinked?

Yeah, for the 80th anniversary. Oh well, they did the anniversary for Aquaman too and then proceeded to replace him with Hyde Jackson.

If Williamson is taking over the main book and Tamaki is keeping Twc then is DC planning a third concurrent book for Usurper Batman or are they keeping him in Future State? Mow I Tamaki is doing "Shadows of the bat" presumably to set up Usurper Batman? DC seems to not be able to sideline Bruce as easily as the others of the trinity. With The Batman next year likely to be a box office success and the coordination between movies and books now DC would be in a bad spot if Usurper Batman is no 1 .

Typo Tec mot Twc.

Even if Bruce will carry the main book and Jace will get another one, Bruce will still be isolated from Gotham. And that annoys me more than anything else.

Next issue of ww she is back and back on the justice league in december

I agree Merlyn I dont like forcing Bruce out of Gotham for nothing more than to place Usurper Batman there.

What's your take DC fan?

How did they destroy him exactly?

We get it. You don’t like Bendis. If you’re still reading everything he writes and giving them all 1s, that seems odd. If you’re not reading them, why rate?

I read everything , store worker

@Well, that does make sense. I might not read it if I hated it, but your response gives perspective. 👍🏽

I hate almost everything Bendis at DC, but I keep reading because I love a lot of his Marvel stuff. I am just waiting for the surprise when the good Bendis finally shows up at DC

@DC Fan of sorts, I don't hate what he is doing at DC like a "1" (which means there is nothing worse), I also haven't enjoyed his DC work. I actually have enjoyed Checkmate (haven't read this week), but the last two issues of JL I haven't been able to get through. I will try to make myself quit buying that as of this week. It's too bad, while I know some people never liked Bendis, I did. Now, it's like it is a bad writer trying to mimic Bendis.

I think checkmate might be the worst of his books, but it was also delayed a year so that might be part of it as well

Do you not like politics in your comics?

No, I don't like when comics are political propaganda. Is that wrong?

XD

I agree. I think bad policies being imposed by state and federal bureaucrats along with morons like Newsom at the helm are what I would attribute to the fire breakouts. We need to allow for controlled burns to prevent accretion of flammable vegetation. This is why fires in the state are out of control. But of course any one who pursues controlled burns are hindered by government with policies such as The Clean Air Act which treats smoke from controlled burns as a pollutant.

For all the potential this new improved superman is supposed to have hes a bit of a cretin. Brainiac has been messing with planets for years and even Apokalips us a terraformed planet-albeit a pretty nasty one. This new improved Superman could remove excess CO2 in Earths atmosphere in a bout 6 issues and stop supposed man made global warmi...I mean climate change dead. But Taylor's not interested in that aspect of the Superman mythos hes interested in propaganda.

Doorman CA supposedly has a surplus. Newsom could use it for back burning forest management and getting the electrical lines safer and retrofitted. Instead hes paying bribes to beat his recall. You won't stop forget figures with back burning but you will save property and life. Aussie aboriginals taught back burning to the whites. Maybe they can teach Newsom and Taylor?

You guys are coming here with facts and logic when it's all about "let's shame people into believing they're to blame for the fires" and not moronic politicians.

Guys, merlyn didn't even say anything about the book in this comment. Hes clearly avoiding speaking on its actual content and wants to direct our attention to the politics of its writer. I implore everyone to judge the books on its actual merits instead. Just a tip.

Thanks @Toonstrack. I will take your advice on judging a book based on its merits.

dumb

Ok Toon. Thanks for that tip. Do have anything for getting stubborn stains out in the wash too?

@daspidaboy: The politics are part of the "merits" of the book. They're in there, you know.

@Toonstrack: I remember I gave you several warnings if you come here, you should have something to actually say, not just tell people not to read my review. Do this again and I'll block you permanently.

And I did say a lot of stuff about the book, you just refuse to see them because you don't like what I have to say. That's a pretty big difference.

Dap if I may add..I have no qualms with comics using politics and social issues to tell a good story. But writing to sell an ideological adherence is not necessary. If you remember ten nights of the beast it's set in the context of conflict with USSR and has Reagan in not an entirely flattering portrayal but it doesn't bludgeon you with the writers views.

Now pick up the first issue if the current legends of the dark knight and the writer takes a swipe at Trump and the election by the Joker for no reason other than to show the writers lefty cred. It sours the reader if the reader doesn't come to the book for that stuff.

@Merlyn I never told anyone to not read your review, lest I would have posted this in the comments. I want people to read your review, acknowledge you say nothing about the book(you ignore art, story, character, setup and everything else) and judge it for themselves with that in mind. If that's too much for you than block me if you want. Although I prefer having opposing opinions visible to me, in the spirit of discussion.

I did say a lot of things about the book, you just don't like what I have to say. Those are two very, very different things. I also prefer that but you deliberately ignore all my arguments.

What does it matter what he thinks of America, he is Australian. I already got in an argument with you about “American Way”, but this is a kid who was born on another planet (even though it was retconned and even then, was born in the arctic) and spent almost half his life in an earth-3 volcano and in the future. He doesn’t have much of a connection to America.

Plus, that whole thing is 100% a marketing thing than a political one!

That would be my question exactly, why is he so interested in American politics since he is from Australia? He always feels the need to comment on the political climate there, that's when he isn't complaining about Scott Morrison that he isn't "green enough" or that he's linked to QAnon (yes he said that on his twitter, I'm not making this up). He grew up in Smallville in the Rebirth era, I'd say he's as American as you can be.

I don't know what thing you are referring to, be more specific, I've complained about a lot of stuff. :))

The story is screwed up from the get go, Bendis ruined this franchise and they just pretend it's nothing I'm baffled at some of ya'll who thinks this is a good storyline, even might be, but due to what bendis have done with the character background, it is impossible to like, even if Jerry siegel came back from the dead to write this shit!!!

There wasn't much to the character at the time Bendis showed up. An ok Super Sons book is about all. If they deaged Jon tomorrow, it doesn't mean anything would be better.

What I'm saying is this is what we have now and the writers are going to have to deal with. It's now beyond just blaming bendis.

And the scene with Avro and tony talking about Manitoba is only so cantwelll can have tony go there later to honor him - so forced

I've argued that Cantwell is writing this book like King's Batman and it's showing more and more that Cantwell wants to be Tom King

One main issue left so yea, I kinda think Boba gets Han

Lol

Black Manta being a hero and fighting for black people... because apparently that's who Black Manta is when he's written by BLM activists. :))

You didn't read the book Merlyn lmao

I did.

Clearly not enough to distinguish two different characters lmao

I just thought the book was a mashup of scenes that made little to no sense overall