And what "right reasons" would that be?

Right reasons being that it doesn't shy away from comments on current issues of race and social unrest as a part of the story it is telling. Some believe that comics should shu away from discussion of these, but I disagree. I think its a strength.

I think it's just the opposite. You also write about leaving feeling at the door and judging the story on its merits. But is the writer leaving his feelings at the door? No, his feelings are the reason he is trying to tell this story and not the other. So if the writer's feelings are involved in his writing, why should I leave my own out of my judgment?

*out of my own judgment?

Lol..leave your feelings at the door while Ridley bludgeons you with his feelings on "white privilege" race baiting bullsh@t.

And if the pattern with Tim Fox books holds after a couple of issues the books will fall out of the top 50 sales while every other bat centric book remains there. Yeah...that's a strength.

@egon its the writers job to tell his own story with his own perspective. Why should he cater to yours or mine? What i meant was to judge if the story is being told well or if its good. That means does it have well written characters and an interesting plot. I can enjoy stories even if they have perspectives that disagree with my own. Why can't you do the same?

@ming you didn't even read the book lol. You clearly have no idea whats going on in this story and want something to be outraged at. All stories have an opinion or perspective on something. Hes not bludgeoning you with anything. Whether you want to believe it or not this is a real issue and including it grounds the story.

@Toon "Why can't you do the same?" I did. Besides politics I pointed few other things in my review. "writer's job to tell his own story with his own perspective" and my "job" is to give my honest opinion based on my perspective. "Why should he cater to yours or mine?" He shouldn't cater to either of us. He should deliver a good comic, which he sadly fails to do so.

Well on that, we disagree. I enjoyed this comic quite a bit. Everyone can have their opinion tho

But you don't actually like "everyone having their opinion". Hence, the "pissing people off for the right reasons" phrase. That's the problem. You LOVE that the writer is imbuing the book with his politics and all these views that you certainly share but you just HATE that others point it out. You can't have it both ways and claim some sort of fairness in the process.

Either admit you're a partisan and at least at that point I get why you want others "pissed off" or just accept the fact that as you like this, we don't. Neither of egon's or my review are actually to "piss off" anyone. We just say what we don't like. You're the one who can't take that. You're beginning to embrace the method one of the other users here utilizes when he doesn't like that others critique the books he likes, as in you're attacking the users instead of actually appreciate the book.

I havent attacked any users. And no, I can appreciate that some folks will never like this book for very particular reasons and cannot handle commentary without being partisan. I can appreciate commentary from any perspective if its well told. It is you however that cannot. You review writers, not books. You even admit you liked some things in this book but because it is Ridley, you cannot recommend it. I'm not like that.

Those who wish to shut down all commentary in comics either they agree with it or not should be piissed off by thus because that means this writer isn't afraid to face criticsm for telling the story the way he wants to tell it.

"This issue is likely to piss some people off for all the right reasons." "Leave your feelings at the door" Gee, that sure sounds like a very passive aggressive attack at people who don't like this shit. And no, I review books. This book is bad, hence the rating. Yes, I liked some stuff. It's why the rating is 4.5 and not worse. Not sure how you can't get that.

Again, the second time. WE'RE NOT THE ONES WHO WANT TO SHUT DOWN COMMENTARY IN COMICS! I'm writing like this since I'm tired of explaining and maybe yelling at you will get the point across. Ridley is free to come up with shit. Me, egon, Ming and others are free to not like it. YOU're the one who can't take the fact that we don't embrace this. Work through it.

You seem to be seeing what you want to see. I never attacked anyone let alone you in specific. And saying the book is bad BECAUSE of the politics is the same difference as reviewing the writers politics instead of the boo which is good in spite of that.

When i say to leave personal feelings behind im encouraging visitors who read my review to give the book a chance instead of avoiding it just because you don't like the politics of the writer. You're twisting the words to be some personal attack but it isn't

"Piss some people off for all the right reasons", yeah, there's no attack here to anyone, you're basically just a hippy pacifist.

It's not the politics of the writer that's being brought into question. It's the fact that the writer is using the character to insinuate his politics into the book....in likelihood with DCs blessing since most of Ridleys output is afro centric racialized and echoes Marxist screeds like resenting privilege. I enjoy a lot of Ennis work but I can5 stand the d@ckhead personally.

For the record I don't want to read a batman book singing the praises of capitalism or conservatism either. I just want a good story for my favorite comics character without shitting on it with political agendas...of any kind. Has this really become too much to ask for in an effing batman book?

@ming there's nothing wrong with a book having politics in it. You clearly have some fear about black people becoming prominent and you think its some attack. Its not. We've been here for a while and we aren't going anywhere. Theres batman books that don't address these things and there are ones that do. Both are and should be fair game. Simply featuring black people isnt some agenda any more than other batman books are 'white centric ' ridiculous notion.

Stop letting fear mongering idiots who need clocks govern your opinion. John Ridley wrote a conservative black man in the black lightning book and he did that well too.

@merlyn no its not an attack. Obviously. Stop playing a victim and accept that some people's views may differ and you won't have this problem

I'm cool with that, you're the one who isn't.

Your actions do not reflect your words.

All this whining because we have white privilege being acknowledged in a Batman book 🤣🤣🤣

The fact this feels like oppression to them is the proof of the existence of privledge.

Jesus fucking christ, you bootlickers are so sensitive.

"We don't want to shut down commentary in comics. We just review bomb anything that disagrees with our ideology because... Uh you know, comics shouldn't have any politics! Batman has never done anything political until right now."

Batman's biggest stories have explicit political elements. Death in the Family has Joker working with the Ayatollah. Anything Frank Miller has done is loaded with the politics of the time. Year One, any of the Dark Knight comics. I guess Ming isn't actually a fan of Batman, since all his biggest stories are political.

@Psycamorean And whose boots are being licked exactly, if you don't mind me asking? I am not familiar with that particular, pejorative, phrase.

Psycho...political elements and outright activism are two different things. Ridley is an activist using afro Marxism. I have issues of batman from the 80s where they take outright swipes at Reagan but the entire run is not a treatise on democrats vs republicans. Is the difference between elements and blatant activism lost on you?

But if you believe the mullahs were unfairly treated in death in the family you have my sympathy.

@egonnn244 Bootlicking is when one defends an obvious oppressive force. In this case, it's racial bias. Now, this was mostly directed at Ming. Although given the reviews of the rest of you, it's not a stretch to say that you're all bootlickers for something.

@Mingthemerciless The difference is that you don't care about the politics in comics of the past because you presumably read them before you became a hypersensitive pussy. I would like a definition for "Afro Marxism" by the way. There's a thing such as African Socialism, but that has nothing to do with this comic or anything in it. I can't help it if you're racist, Ming. Maybe try not ousting yourself by constantly showing how afraid you are of black people.

And that last part has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and I'm really annoyed by your type's tendency to pivot for no real reason.

Its funny you bemoan pivoting while in the same breath you dodged element vs activism. Ridley is an activist writer. You are lying if you say otherwise. Most of his output is afro centric and leftist in nature. DC hired him for that. You did get upset about the mullahs in death in the family didnt you cupcake? I ll tell my niece's black mother that you said I'm afraid of black people. She ll laugh her head off.

She's south African black..not American. In case the Marxist boot licke in you stil wants to quibble.

Yeah that's right little guy...my neices family is black and colored from south Africa. They use those terms themselves so I don't care if you're offended princess. Would like a tissue for tears of humiliation?

I'm afraid the tissues are being used up by your masturbatory congratulations. Nothing you just said invalidates anything I just said. You are obviously afraid of black people or else you wouldn't be screeching about it on a comic book review website.

Well let's see you said I'm afraid of black people when in fact they are part of my family. That invalidates that assertion of yours. Yiu declare me a racist when again theres mixed races in my family and we are a loving family. That invalidates that one if yours.

You bemoan pivoting when you demonstrated it yourself that invalidates that one of yours.

Ridley is an activist writer. That invalidates your "elements" pivot. You're pretty much roasted at this point princess.

I think people who have mixed race families can still be racist. Many racists have friends of different races. This argument doesn't hold up, especially when you repeat the same rhetoric as racists constantly.

Also, don't think I don't notice the constant effeminate name calling. I know why you're doing that, dear. Maybe I can make you stop if I play into it. Honey.

Awww princess is sensitive. Hes A Marxist and a pussy. Lol.

Yeah, you can't reclaim my insult towards you. But I can reclaim your insults towards me because they don't actually insult me, pussy-willow.

If you are confident and not a pussy, you can join this discord server and argue with me in real time: https://discord.gg/xJz6buvNFZ

@Psycamorean "Although given the reviews of the rest of you, it's not a stretch to say that you're all bootlickers for something" - going by that logic you're a bootlicker too.

Name one thing

@Psy You're clearly defending something you believe is right. I, and some others, don't agree with it, so we're instantly labeled as bigots, as bootlickers. I wholeheartedly believe that labeling people as this and that on the grounds of differences of opinions does not lead to any constructive place. When people are labels it gets easier to forget that they're people. And history around the world has shown that this is not the best way to go.

No, I think you're people. Just super uninformed people. And what you support only oppresses others. Don't expect niceties. I've got no use for civility when no one else here argues in good faith.

It's clear that you don't even know what you're arguing for or against. How am I supposed to respect that?

When people do argue ostensibly in good faith, I treat them better. Like DoorMan. Although he was dishonest in his citations and eventually resorted to gotchas, so... Granted, he's the best example here on your side unfortunately.

And what is "my side" exactly?

What you deem to be race baiting is bad. Social justice issues being brought up in comics is bad. Etc. You don't think you need to be objective when you review comics that have politics you don't like.

Aww such a delicate thing the our Marxist pussy has turned out to be. Its ok pumpkin ...there there...lol.

Dont expect niceties while the Marxist pussy cries "stop calling me names" the little flower.

Psycho you're wasting your time. Ming is clearly terrifies of black people. Probably supports replacement theory. Fear mongering about SC erasing Bruce while he literally has 4 titles running with TWO MORE on the way and that's not even counting JL. Its pure nonsense at its face

DC*

My favorite thing is he calls me super sensitive when I haven't backed down once, while he's been crying about black people and comic books for the past several years.

Would my review be deemed objective if it aligned with your thought on the matter?

I offered him a chance to come onto discord and hash it out twice now. No response. Real pussy shit.

You stated earlier you know why I'm doing it and you'll try to make me stop. You cant even keep your lies together any more cupcake.

Eff you and your discord Marxist pussy. Hash it out here petunia.

@egonnn244 Not if all you did was ignore the comic's flaws because it hit the ideologic sweet spot for you.

@Ming I was guessing, like most homophobic people, you'd get uncomfortable if I played into what... Honestly comes across as flirting. Someone unwilling to say "fuck" isn't exactly a man's man. Discord is more convenient. But I understand, you're too afraid to do it.

Lol wheres homophobic from now buttercup?

Good to know.

Now we are at "communism can work it just hasn't been implemented properly yet". Go ahead princess.

@egonnn244 just look at my reviews. Plenty of them feature objectivity on my part. I can recognize the flaws or the merits in something I agree or disagree with ideologically. I think I hold up well to scrutiny on this, for the most part.

@Ming, you're clearly homophobic. You only started calling me these flirtatious names after I changed my avatar to include the gay pride flag.

If this is flirting to you princess you need a therapist.

Now...communism not implemented properly yet. Ho ahead cupcake

You just haven't been around many gays, I presume. It's like how the straights have the pet names. Same concept.

I would say we've seen socialism implemented on a small scale, through worker co-ops across the globe, which have more resistance to economic shocks and are even more productive, on top of workers being considerably more happy.

Is this like a Stockholm syndrome thing for you princess?

Communism not 8implemented properly yet. Why will you get right this time buttervup?

buttercup? Want to hash it out...do it

Well, I just think you're not that bright. So I can just spread my opinions in arguments with you, so when other people read the argument, they come away thinking that my opinions are more sound. You know, because they are.

I don't think a fully communistic country could work because of gatekeeping by world banks like the IMF. It would have to be a worldwide shift. Revolution is definitely off the table. So what we're left with is slowly morphing politics leftward in hopes that we can create a better system, like market socialism. The dream wouldn't even be communism. It'd be anarchism. A stateless society, hierarchy free.

I asked why you think it will this time idiot. You give me banks and gatekeepers? You've got nothing princess.

Dreams wishes and gatekeepers but not how it works this time after all those tries. You're a clown cupcake

I'm saying a communist country isn't likely to happen, dumbfuck.

Heres a clue princess. The multinationals and financials are actually doing your work for you but yourself so mired in Marxist dreams that you're not seeing it. That's because you marxists need boogie men to gun up hate and agitate. Wake up stupid.

Peace out princess.

I don't believe in the JQ, Ming.

The scene with the thugs scanning the air and saying lines like "where is he" or "who are you" is ripped off from every modern Batman movie but originality isn't what Ridley does. Race BS is what Ridley gets paid for. I defy anyone here to find me an issue where the real Batman has ever said a line "he doesnt deserve sympathy because hes a cute black kid". I'm betting this pattern holds and Usurper Batman sales fall off the cliff after another issue or two especially if the race bullsh@t stays.

Most readers are not interested in Ridleys war in privilege or being told their awful for being white. People dont buy Batman books to be scolded for their skin color or to be bludgeoned with race baiting. By the way it's a magazine not a clip.

Good review. Honest and pulled no punches.

Typo: they're not their.

Why, thank you, good sir.

one of the cops said that. not jace

Yes I know mout. A cop or a serviceman would not call a magazine a clip.

@ming Mout was saying that Batman isn't the one who said anything about white privilege, did you read the book? Batman was DEFENDING the white kid and the cop who said it was reprimanded

I actually dont care who said it roonie. Its simply more of Ridleys one note race baiting writing. It's not what anyone reads Batman for.

Nor do I care for Ridleys urban hipster vernacular. The thugs are "paid" to protect a character. This suggests they're ex LEO or military. Neither would call a magazine a clip. If Ridley insists on playing race cards and invoking "militias" at least he should understand who and what hes writing about.

Characters having personalities and differences of opinion on issues doesn't necessarily reflect the writer. Its like thinking Chris Nolan is an anarchist because he wrote the Joker that way

Except we all know Nolan has very different political views, as well as the fact that Ridler actually pedals this race-baiting ideologies. We have interviews with him, you know. Also, Nolan wrote the Joker as a VILLAIN. Villains are, you know, bad guys. Ridley sees Jace as the HERO. He actually agrees with him. So, you know, you're pretty wrong.

So you're asking us to ignore the lions share of Ridleys output which is overtly afro centric and loaded with race baiting bullsh@t? Let's not mince words Tim Fox exists because DC wants a black batman. Ridley was hired to write a black batman with the afro centric race politics Ridley is known for. You're a liar if you say otherwise. Nolan also tapped into a tale of two cities in the DK Rises. It's simply plotting. Ridley is an activist though.

Again so far Tim Fox books are not resonating with most readers. Last numbers I saw his books and trades fall out of top 50 sales quickly while every other batbook remains. That may change of course.

What's my point? Ridley is not writing a character that most bat fans care for. Thus ranges from simply not being the real batman to readers not caring to be bludgeoned over the head with Ridleys afro Marxist race agenda. No ones Tim Fox is just a badly launched and poorly written character that is not grabbing most of the readership. Again that may change but likely not 7nder Ridleys afro marxist bullsh@t writing.

A good artist is simply a band aid on this title.

Tim Fox isn't Batman

@ming there's nothing wrong with there being a black Batman. Theres been plenty of other Batmans than just Bruce. You're reviewing the writers politics and not the book itself. I dont care about Ridleys politics I just care about if the book is good or not. Thats all that should matter.

@Merlyn Jace didn't even say anything baity in this book? And besides, good guys can disagree with your politics too. Do you think there's no good people who disagree with your own personal politics? That's pretty close minded thinking. I never felt the need to check what an artists politics were before I encountered his or her work. TDK is good not because of Nolans politics but because its a good story. Literslly nothing else matters to me. If I happen to agree with them, that's icing.

@ming What exactly has Jace done in this book that implies Marxism? You don't even know what that word means if you think this book has anything to do with it. The anti government militia are the BAD GUYS in this story. Its plainly obvious you aren't reading the book but have a vested interest in it.

Oh so we're pretending Ridley doesn't push race baiting in these comics? Yeah, that won't fly. And you didn't understand what I said. You came with the stupid argument that just because Nolan wrote the Joker doesn't mean he endorses his anarchist mindset. And I told you that Nolan wrote the Joker as a villain, as in his mindset is wrong. Ridley writes Jace as a hero so his morality and what he says are actually stuff Ridley himself agrees with.

And I don't feel the need to check what an artist's politics are either. I just read the interviews with Ridley after DC announced he'll write Batman. Also, yes, he didn't endorse Marxism in this book but along his run you can see all sorts of messages about billionaires and how we should take from the rich and all that sort of stuff. That kinda falls in Marxist territory. Yes, it wasn't present in this particular comic, but he has touched on the subject in several other issues.

Wealth redistribution and Marxism aren't the same thing and you know it. But im not getting into a political dissertation here. Its not present in this book, plain and simple.

Writing a character as a hero doesnf meanyou agree with them either. This is such a simple minded view of storytelling. When you write characters that doesnt mean every protagonist is supposed to be your "persona". It means you're writing a fictional character with their own goals and ideas and thoughts. Skilled writers can do that, and skilled readers can make the distinction between the writer and the character. Do you think Nolan agrees with everything Batman says or does in TDK?

And what even is "race baiting" exactly? Acknowledging that racial tensions and disparity exist isn't race baiting. A black cop mentioning it is realistic, not "baiting", its something every black person is cognizant of and some are vocal about. These are characters and fictional individuals and if you want these characters to be written with any sort of relevancy you'll acknowledge that these perspectives exist in real life and so including them isn't a problem.

Writing a character as a hero AND parroting those same talking points in interviews show that's what Ridley actually thinks. I'm not going to get in another one of those never ending conversations just because you're bored and need the attention. I've already brought all the arguments TWICE and you refuse to accept them and just want to live in your parallel reality. Go for it.

Same about the "race baiting" post.

I already told you I dont care what the writer thinks and you chose to ignore that because for some reason you can't fathom liking a product from someone's who's politics don't line up with yours. I think that is frankly ridiculous but come se come sa

And even if he agrees with the perspective on race that are presented, so? Its realistic in this setting and with these characters to have one of them feel that way anyway so I won't lament its inclusion. It would be more unrealistic if he wrote everyone as colorblind happy go lucky folk who completely ignore the implications of what's happening in the story

Oh so you're a race-baiter too so that's why you like it. I get it now, it's okay. Also, I love Watchmen and I sure as shit don't agree with Moore's politics. I liked King's Batman up until #50 and you can bet I don't agree with his politics. I liked Taylor's Injustice and I think I've made pretty clear what I think of the guy. So, you know, you're wrong yet again.

Still waiting for a definition on race baiting. No one is going to pretend things that exist in this world such as racial division, don't exist just because it makes you uncomfortable. That isnt bait thats real life.

If you can appreciate Moores scatching critique of right wing politics in Watchmen then you should be able to appreciate it from a modern writer as well.

By citing watchmen which is far more overt than anything in this book, you make it pretty clear that your complaints are completely arbitrary because by all accounts you should hate Moores work, because every ctiticsm you levy at Taylor or Ridley applies tenfold to him. Henever shied away from putting his views into his work.

AHAHAHAHA! The guts to compare Moore with Ridley. Dude, you're killing me here. :)))

I think the big difference between Moore's Watchmen and this book is subtlety or lack off it in the case of Ridley.

YOU brought up Moore, not me. As I said. Completely arbitrary

@egon Uhhhh dude Moore is WAY less subtle than anything in this book lmao its not even close

You said that if I can take it from Moore, I should be able to take it from Ridley. Except Moore was fucking talented and Ridley is a hack. Not the same thing at all.

And no, Ridley isn't AT ALL subtler than Moore.

If you dislike a writer injecting their politics into work... Moore not only is the poster child for this practice but he was one of rhe ones who STARTED it. Defending Moore in any capacity while saying that is flatly two faced and a massive self own on Merlyns part.

Dude, are you dumb? Stop comparing Moore with Ridley. Watchmen was a masterpiece, this is a shitty comic. There IS no comparison. And Moore was much more subtle than Ridley. You're just pretending not to see it.

Moore was an anarcho-communist. Believe me, those are two ideologies that I find stupid and disgusting. So in that regard, I'm much more okay with Ridley ideologically. Difference is, Moore was an excellent writer while Ridley is just boring and bad, at least here.

You are blind to your own bias, its hilarious. Giving Moore endless passes just because of what? Clout? You brought up Moore dont pretend like you didn't. You just don't appreciate how it exposes your own lack of conviction in your own standards

Because as I said Moore is guilty of the same stuff and you know it and you also know he isn't subtle at all in his work. Saying Moore is subtle is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever typed and that is gd saying something.

Can't stand when folks bend reality itself to try and shield their own lack fo consistency. If more was writing books you'd be treating him the same as the Taylor's and the Ridley. Becauze he is their precursor in many ways.

Yeah, you're and idiot, there's no way around it.

Also, try to write more carefully, you seem like you had a seizure, don't let it get to your head,

I don't care what Moore may be guilty of hes stratispherically a higher quality comics writer than Ridley and his one note afro centric race baiting bullsh@t.

No one ...let repeat...no one is interested Ridleys udea of a batman who wants to prosecute a war on privilege. Fir the casual fan it's just not a batman book. For others its Marxist BS. Tim Fox has made it clear he resents Bruce Wayne's wealth and his father's (ironically essentially stolen from Bruce Wayne at this point). Theres nothing compelling about a war privilege and the race crap accompanying it.

On another level DC is hell bent on getting its own Miles Morales for Batman but hired Ridley...an afro centric soft Marxist activist to deliver it. So far its failing but DC is going to give Gotham to him anyway and I'm guessing a year from now it will either succeed or fail.

You mentioned earlier Um invested in this toony? Yes because DC was this close to sending off my favorite comics character to serve the woke BS making it's way through pop culture and academia right now. Mercifully DC is not suicidal so Batman keeps his book after Tynions yawnfest fear state but he gets sent out of Gothan while Tamaki starts shadows of the bat to finally place Tim Fox in Gotham in what would guess is current continuity.

You can continue to sing hosannas to Ridleys hamfisted race/marxust crap but if current patterns hold itll be a temporary paradise for you.

Merlyn though brings up a great point on how writers write heroes. Frank Miller gave us a fractured Daredevil with vulnerabilities but still a virtuous hero. Flaws and all.

The punisher though is an u interesting exception. He started as a villian who turned out to be manipulated and renounced his hit on spiderman. The readers liked him and he grew to have his own titles. Hes been written as both hero and anti hero very successfully with chuck dixon giving us a classic vision while Ennis gave us a dark disturbed punisher with a very black humor delivery. Both versions resonate with fans today.

And getting back to Merlyns point on Moore vs Ridley...Dixon and Ennis are political opposites yet both are quality writers writing a character that fans enjoy.

@merlyn You have no consistency. Your complaints are arbitrary and shallow and this just proves it. @ming nothing was happening to Batman. Calm down. Were you this paranoid when it was terry, or jean Paul, or dick? This happens all the time. World didn't end

And you are only displaying you dont know what a Marxist is. Jace doesn't resent money he resents what it isnt being used for. He comes from wealth himself but he wants to use it for good of the disenfranchised and he THINKS people like Bruce aren't helping or ignoring the issues.

Its beyond obvious you know zilch about this book and got your info from some YouTube person or something. Your paranoia is not warranted and telling a story from a different perspective yes even a black one is no issue. Maybe you got some personal feelings about that to work out. You'd have storytelling sensibilities crippled and neutered to placate your irrational fears but everything will be fine and Bruce was never going anywhere.

Not to mention you defend a dude like Moore who is closer to an actual Marxist than anything in these books lol. Jace isn't even fighting Bruce Wayne or his dad. He's trying to fight the far left militia in the book. But you wouldn't know that because you didn't read it

No, you're just sticking your fingers in your ears going "lalalalala I don't want to hear what you have to say" then proceed to reply with what YOU WANT ME TO ACTUALLY SAY. That's ridiculous, it's disrespectful and idiotic. That's not how dialogue works.

You have yet to even define what race baiting is. You are dodging discussion and running with barely there platitudes this whole time and you ask me for respect? You call me insults and mock my dialogue constantly, so this must be projection

Ah yes the lefty canard "the rich guy isn't using his money right. I ll show you how by taking his stuff from him". Merlyns right...you're an idiot.

This ISN'T dialogue. When you don't want to hear the other person's arguments and just override with what you want them to say, it's not dialogue, it's a monologue. If you don't want to engage in dialogue, that's fine, just say it but don't try to pretend like you actually give two shits about what any of us have to say since you ignore everything and just continue to rant like a maniac.

You want to know what race baiting is toony? As egon asked when did white become a pejorative?

And the "Batman isn't using his money to help" is a bullshit argument. He has helped through philanthropy Gotham more than anyone else, at some point he was basically funding the whole damn city. But leftist writers screech because they're poor, they can't take it on the Elon Musks on the world so they "take their revenge" on fictional characters, like the petty people they are.

Ming, don't say the "w" word, he'll immediately throw the "you're racist" argument like Batman throws his batarangs. Well, not this fake Batman, since he doesn't even use batarangs but oh well.

Man,it's crazy to me how much energy you guys put into a secundary Bat-title starring a character that possibly in a couple of years will be gone, when there's HUNDREDS of back issues to read that are way more interesting than possibly all the current titles.

Lol...Mout stop making sense.

@ming and merlyn Jace doesn't know Bruce is batman lmao. Thats the whole point. You guys ate so beyond clueless it isnt even funny. And he didn't take his money either. Bruce had his money stolen and given to Jaces dad, and Bruce wants to keep it that way. As usual you have to make up lies and BS to push a narrative. You're insecure about your politics, your convictions are weak. Ridley at least is bold enough to express himself without fear of reproach

Lol...everything is racist Merlyn.

White isn't a pejorative to anyone but you all. You get set off when someone acknowledges privilege like a dog to a squirrel. Its honestly sad to see. Anyone with a shred of integrity can handle someone mentioning that phenomenon without getting their knickers in a twist. Jace is working t defend a white kid in this very book lmao

@Mout yea this is getting tiresome nothing in this book warrants the doomsaying honestly. Its just a bunch of screeching about a black character with made up stuff to back it up. Ming has been factually incorrect so many times and has no idea the contents of the book hes even discussing.

Nobody said Jace knows Bruce is Batman, which, AGAIN, proves you don't actually read what we write and just imagine what you want us to say. The point was that YOU, as a Batman reader, know that Bruce has been helping people through his philanthropy yet Ridley ignores this. Are you going to bring at least ONE clear argument that is based on something we actually say or are you going to continue your monologue? Just to know if I should keep following this "discussion".

Umm Tim Fox has made his thoughts in Bruce and his wealth clear. No one said he knows Wayne is Batman. Batman isn't rich...Wayne is. Merlyns right you're an idiot.

"White privilege" isn't something to be "acknowledged", the fact that you come up with that nonsense ends it for me, go spill your woke, divisive bullshit somewhere else, maybe you'll find idiots who buy that shit, not me.

Oh yeah, white privilege does not exist, we are all treated equally, for sure 👍

Made up stuff Toony? Like guffawing about being wrong that it was stated that Tim Fox knows Wayne is Batman when it never was stated at all?

@Mout, I thought we agreed to ignore each other because you don't care what I have to say and you feel like it's a waste of time talking to me, you said so yourself. It's the fourth post since then in which I comment and you insert yourself specifically to reply to me. Make up your damn mind. And no, white privilege doesn't exist, it's just a mental health issue for leftists. Get help.

You asked my investment in the discussion I outlined it for you toony. I dont want my favorite comics character thrown off his book to pander to lefty agendas. Thankfully DC blinked and will not be doing that. As Mout said likely Tim Fox will end up in trash heap of DC ideas and we can all be spared the race baiting and Marxist crap of activists like Ridley. You can twist in the wind at this point. Egon once again great review.

No mout white privilege does not exist. It's a very sexy weapon morphed out of Marxist ideology to create the belief that one class of person cannot succeed due to anothet class' restraints on them. They just injected a racial element to it. I have no advantage over a black American. And don't insult my intelligence by telling me I'm simply not aware I am. My parents gave me the same talk about respecting cops if I'm ever in trouble just like every black child "does". Theres no white privilege

White privilege does exist. This is exactly what I mean. XD. The fact we are having this discussion is proof. I'm yall get triggered over the very idea of a white teen getting arrested in the book.

It doesn't even matter if the reader knows Bruce or not because the book isn't written from the readers perspective. The lack fo understanding of this is

Proof of why these folks get so mad about a comic book. There's been 4 other batmans and the black one gets everyone riled up. But sure race got nothing to do with it lmao

You tell yourself it doesn't exist because you lack responsibility. Facts are there and always have been. A white mass shooter Dylan roof just got sentenced for killung/wounding dozens. George Floyd got executed on the spot gor a fake 20. Same situation right? Lmao

And mout if I tell how many times I've been profiled going through customs (both here and abroad) you'd be shocked. Theres no white privilege.

Get mental help too, don't put it on me with the responsibility shit, it's your mental problem.

Mout my family came from eastern europe with nothing. We heard it all..wop dago go back to your own country. A lot of hard work and a little talent and three generations are doing nicely. Better than the socialist mother country. Theres no white privilege.

@Ming: Which country did your family come from? Just curious, that's all. The whole "go back to your own country" is pretty shitty.

Greece. They dealt with Nazis and Communists before emigrating.

I like my privacy Merlyn so I'm not too detailed but we ve got some stories.

Oh and the Turkish nationalist putsch too I nearly forgot they were thrown out of the land they were born in under penalty of death if they remained. We ve got some stories.

Yeah we really soaked up that white privilege we are supposed to have..lol.

Cheers Merlyn.

All yall doing is showcasing you dont know what white privilege is. It doesn't mean 'bad things don't happen to white people' lmaooooo But at least you two have found each other i guess. Cheers folks; I'm done with this and apologies to egon for spamming his feed

And the military junta that ruled them, yeah, Greece has not had it easy in history, not even in recent years, there's all these weird leftist parties and literal neo-Nazis, though if I understood correctly they've dealt pretty okay with them, as in throwing them in jail. But yeah, for some people those things don't count, the level of melanin on your skin automatically makes you privileged even if you're actually poorer than other people who are supposedly oppressed.

That's what happens when you embrace ideology over reason, the latter doesn't really matter anymore. Cheers, Ming!

You guys should look up what white privilege is. Just a hint.

@Merlyn I made a comment here two days before you, so I received updates

@Ming sorry to hear that, my family also came from Europe (Germany and France)

But it does exist, not in a way that just because you're white you have already won. But black people get harassed just for being black, it's a fact, here in Brazil it happens all the time, just like in the USA

No mout white privilege does not exist. It's an invententoon of leftist academia using the Marxist position that a class cannot rise above its status because another class has placed restraints on it.

This form of Marxism is particularly insidious because being white IS the crime and living in society IS the instrument if oppression. Just having a job or doing well in school and your privileged and oppressing a black person somewhere.

Why do you think that even the way basic math is taught in school is now being touted as white privilege and must be more "equitable"?

I've been profiled at airports for how I look. I dont feel oppressed or that the guy with short hair and nice clothes is enjoying a privilege I didnt get.

My family had seen hangings executions brutalizing and confiscations for peace nationality and political ideology. Dont attempt to tell me I dont know what oppressive societies look like. White privilege is just the latest idea of the Marxist to silence dissent and rise to power. We ve seen its face before.

Typo race not peace

Idiots like maxine waters have thrown millions of dollars at Compton. It looks fantastic now. Crime and drug use and alcohol and out of wedlock birthrates are still rampant there.

I've got people in south Africa...through marriage. They are termed colored which is a class there. Nothing is better there. They're even confiscating land from whites and handing it to blacks...nothing has changed crime and poverty still rampant. The idea if white privilege is all but wiped out there...nothing changed.

I'm not demeaning the black experience in america but my simply being white does not give me an advantage over anyone. And I certainly dont need to be taught math differently because of my skin color.

"White privilege, or white skin privilege, is the societal privilege that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances."

Not every society has white privilege. And it isn't actually about one's socioeconomic status, but rather the inherent societal biases that come with a society that enslaved, brutalized and dehumanized an entire group of people before making them second class citizens for another century.

Lol inherent societal biases. See it's like I just said living in the society IS the instrument of oppression. It's a very insidious form of the Marxist class oppression theory because simply being white you're an oppressor and simply living in society is an act of oppression. I function therefore black America is oppressed. Its ideological crack for lefties.

Tell me about the class structure in india they're all the same color there.

Tell me about the murder rate in Chicago minneapolus Baltimore ad nauseam. How does my being white make black youth kill each other in wholesale numbers.

Hey dumbfuck, it's not about the individual. You keep victimizing yourself, don't you have any self respect? India is comprised of several ethnic groups. They're not all the same. I don't know what that has to do with your point. Your being white has nothing to do with the murder rate in those cities, because you don't matter. The murder rate (and largely the crime rate) is tied heavily to poverty, which disproportionately affects black people.

You'd think you wouldn't use the most obvious arguments coming from racists in this country. One, because since they're the most obvious, they're the easiest to debunk, and two, because you have this veneer of not being racist that you have now willfully thrown away.

Ok so being poor makes black youth kill each other in wholesale numbers each week in those cities...got it. My being white doesnt make them shoot each other but it makes them poor which makes them kill each other in wholesale numbers right sweetcheeks?

And you're wrong it's entirely about the individual. Marxism of course makes it about groups and classes and societies. Big malleable globs of people to be agitated and manipulated. When you ran to calling me a racist I knew you were defeated. Lefties do that when theyve got nothing else. Sorry buttercup.

Oh and from Toons thread on this book where you told me I'm afraid of black people? I told my niece to tell her mother (shes black from south africa) that a doofus lefty on a board said I'm afraid of herecaysr shes black. She laughsed. and said will do. I ll let you know what she says tulip.

@Psy they are right man, let's forget about slavery, segregation, Tulsa, Trayvon Martin and George Floyd

Being poor makes people more likely to commit crimes, because they're more desperate. Gang violence is an excellent example of that. Again, this isn't about you. Your being white has no effect on these people. This is a societal issue, not an individual one. You can't just throw around Marxism if you don't know what it means. In this case, you are the one making it a persecution complex for yourself, because you are, as I said elsewhere, a huge pussy.

I told my third cousin, on my mother's side, to tell her brother in law (He's a dumbfuck) that a dumbfuck on a comic book review website was calling me different flowers. He laughed, and said "Man what a dumbfuck. Humans aren't flowers!"

Oh ok so being white in america (alone?) and simply existing in society creates a lot of poor black people in those cities who then become sociopathic youth who kill each other in wholesale numbers each week. And if we fix white privilege this ends at some point? Is that right turnip?

At what point is an individual accountable for his actions or am I making a Marxist acknowledge personal responsibility rather than big fuzzy groups to be agitated and manipulated? Do we just let bloodshed continue in those cities until you fix the boogie man white privilege? What say you petunia?

Society has biases. We can fix this through recognizing that these biases exist, and work on fixing them. We could also greatly increase social welfare to help uplift the poor, so that they have some form of upward social mobility and a safety net so that no one has to go without eating or without a place to live, or without healthcare. Doing that would dramatically decrease crime rates across the board, and create a more moral and just society.

You really do come off like a racist piece of shit. I feel sorry for your family for having to put up with you. Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis that interprets struggle through the lens of production, who owns it, profits from it, etc. Everyone has individual responsibility, but we must acknowledge that everyone's actions are influenced by their place in society. The poor are more likely to commit crime, but that doesn't mean every poor person is a criminal.

Lol so you are a Marxist boot licke.

We don't "allow" crime and bloodshed to happen. Cities are often over-policed, actually. It's not about letting crime happen, it's about recognizing the root causes of why crime is so rampant in these cities, and fixing that. You are the one advocating for just letting this continue, because you refuse to acknowledge reality.

You didn't answer the question princess. At what point is personal responsibility a factor or does the killing continue in this cities until your boogie man white privilege is gone? Hint you're a Marxist its never gone you just keep moving the posts. Right little fella?

Personal responsibility is always a factor. It's not one of the other. If you're a mental invalid, maybe nuance is a hard concept for you. You don't know what Marxism is so I explained it to you, darling.

@Ming: You're talking to a guy who admits that he thinks communism is actually better than capitalism, never mind all the death and poverty those regimes brought. Ask him, he'll admit it, he's proud of it. Let it go, you'll never win. He already told you, "it's not about the individual". That should be into a t-shirt for lefties, actually.

So let's get your assertion clear. When you're young poor and black you you kill each other each week because white society keeps you poor and violent. We confiscate wealth throw it at poor cities tell the white guy it's his fault and the bloodshed ends. But 7until them keep shooting guys. Is that right petal?

I'm enjoying watching the elitist offal twist himself into a pretzel Merlyn.

I do think communism would be a better system than capitalism, because I think the workers having means of production is a good thing. Those regimes you don't mention by name, I assume are ones like Maoist China and the USSR. Maybe even current day China. These were/are not communist countries, if you compare the ideas behind communism with the governance of these countries. Stalin and Mao were both totalitarian dictators that didn't empower the proletariat at all.

Ming, I don't know how you got that summation from what I said, but I'm starting to think you're disingenuous or someone with brain damage.

Lol root causes. When Minneapolis reduced cops the violence spiked. Ad it did Baltimore Chicago ny etc. You Marxists offal need the violence to keep pedalling you boogie man theories and agitate these people. Your playbook is old princess.

Aaaaand we have the "that was not real communism" argument that all retarded leftists use. I'm not getting into this because it's obviously such a stupid, stupid thing to say but Ming, this is what I'm talking about. You don't have a chance to win against the guy because for him reality doesn't matter, just ideology. And when he's proven wrong, he just changes the arguments.

Just watch the thread on DoorMan's Superman: Son of Kal-El #3 review. DoorMan proves him wrong and he changes the tune halfway when he realizes he's wrong. I'm just telling you this because it's for your own good, there's no reasoning with someone like him.

I think if we did a poll of the users who read this thread, or any thread I've commented on, I would come across as the reasonable one.

Crazy how you don't like totalitarian dictators yet think the guy defending authoritarian overreach is right.

I got things to do, but if you are confident and not a bunch of pussies, you can join this discord server and argue with me in real time: https://discord.gg/xJz6buvNFZ

@Psycamorean Neither Ming nor Merlyn have even the vaguest idea of what communism or Marxism is. They both use it as a blanket term for any sort of political view they disagree with. That leads to hilariously stupid, completely racist statements, like calling Ridley an "afro Marxist"

"I do think communism would be a better system than capitalism" - yikes!

These people are THAT stupid, egon. And it's not just stupidity. It's also a lack of empathy. They don't care how many people have died and suffered under communist regimes, that doesn't matter because iT wAsN't TrUe CoMmUnIsM. For them those victims don't matter and millions more wouldn't until "they got it right". Luckily they're a minority because at least for now most sane people understand what a plague communism is and they can just screech about it on the internet.

I actually don't like the USSR though. And I criticize it in one of my Fantastic Four Life Story reviews.

While we're at it, explain the ideology of Communism. And Marxism, for extra credit!

Yeah, I'd love to see Merlyn or Ming explain communism or Marxism or especially "afro Marxism" without copy/pasting whatever comes up first from a google search

Even if they did that, it wouldn't line up with their own disdain.

@Loafy: you have wikipedia, just look it up.

@Loafy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes Never say I never did anything for you. Because of me you now have followers here otherwise you would've been as ignored as ever and now, I'm educating you. Honestly, you should pay me for this.

Merlyn, that's not a definition. And we all agree the USSR and Maoist China are bad.

At least we agree on some matters. That's something.

@Loafy: You should also take a quick look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_totalitarian_regimes Notice how many of those regimes fall into "Marxism-Leninism", "Juche", "Maoism" or "Socialism" category.

Communism it just hasn't been done right yet....lol comedy gold.

Marxism-Leninism is a contradiction, if you know anything about Marxism and Leninism. It's basically a front ideology for dictators.

Great job dodging the actual question. So I'll go with my original assumption: you literally do not know what Marxism or communism actually are, and instead you treat them like a right-wing boogeyman. I'm 100% sure you're one of those people who parrot the "well the Nazis were ACTUALLY socialists" line because they misappropriated the word 'socialist' in their name.

Of course they're bad princess its impossible to deny. That's why Clownshoes like you yet " it hasn't been done right yet"when forced to answer for them. Same goals same tactics just wishing for a different result. Not so petal?

But if we really wanted to play the numbers game, how many deaths could be attributed to capitalism? The Nazis, despite their name, were capitalist. Modern day China is state capitalist.

But you wouldn't allow me to point that out and condemn all facets of capitalism, would you?

@Loafy: I gave you the most objective source I can find on the internet. I'm not saying Wikipedia is perfect but it is the best close thing we got to objective at this point. If you don't want to read and want to remain uneducated, that's ok. Don't insert yourself in conversations about stuff you have no idea, then. I'm pretty sure the guys that wrote articles don't treat Marxism and communism like "right-wing boogeymen". But I guess you want to remain a idiot and a moron, oh well.

Read up, learn the ideology you criticize.

@Loafy They literally can't answer the question lmao.

@Loafy: If you won't listen to me, listen to your friend, Psycamorean. Read up.

Merlyn, what's the difference in ideology between Marxists, Leninists and Stalinists?

Pol pot Stal8n Maosit ch8ma 100s of millions of deaths and incaerations. China still has gulags. You have to try harder tulip

Merlyn you stupid, sad little fuck. I asked you if you knew what communism and Marxism are and you sent me a wiki page about genocides committed by nation that claimed to be Communists but actually operated more as totalitarian dictatorships and did almost nothing “Marxist” or “communist.” Again, please explain those concepts

What's the difference turnip? Power.

Marxists dont have power Lenin and stalin did.

Keep trying petal

And you're that dumb that you didn't understand that I was showing you WHERE communism and Marxism LEAD. That's exactly where, you utter moron, to authoritarianism, death and, occasionally totalitarianism. They're not inseparable. And no, Wikipedia isn't a "right-wing" guy on the internet that doesn't like leftists, it's pretty objective.

Wow, you sound really educated. Can we get the non-handicapped answer now?

It's just that you're such a moron that you think that if you kiss ass here to your buddies who are taking advantage of your ignorance to use you in a conversation you have ZERO idea about, your ignorant opinions matter. Gtfo. I had it right when I blocked you the first time, you're by far the biggest idiot in this website. Psycamorean is an ideologue but you're just very, very stupid, you don't even realize you have no idea what you're talking about and you're being used.

So w are at "communism works but those guys didnt implement it ptoperly" Go ahead princess. Tell us how it's going to work this time.

So like... Merlyn, are you ever going to answer the question?

Yeah, and this is why I don't like heavy-handed western political problems being inserted into comic books. Because now, instead of arguing about the Fear State mess of a continuity, people are arguing about ideology and are calling each other names.

I posit that the right-wing started it, as they always do, by making their reviews all about how these comics disagree with their ideology. They literally review bomb over it.

So communism not implemented properly yet. Hash it out petal.

I'm sorry, egon. It's just that for someone from a former communist country with may parents ACTUALLY living under a communist regime, I think I have a better idea than these idiots what communism is actually like. Spoiler: it's not the promised paradise that Marx was talking about and the whole Eastern Europe, parts of Eastern Asia, Central and South America actualy felt that. So you have no idea how annoying it is to hear morons presenting it like this, when they have no idea about it.

Pol pot lenin mao Tito ad nauseam all started from Marxist thoughts butchers and despots all. Tell how you'll get it right this time princess

This is my last post here, I'm really, really sorry for letting my feelings about the topic getting the better of me. I can't promise you it won't happen again in the future but I'll do my best. :)

@Psy Is 5 out of 10 review bombing? I really implore you to read my review one more time. You'll see, that besides the flimsy politics being presented in the book I point to few other things. I've never been grouped with ring-wing before, but I guess there's first time for everything. It's funny though because my college roommate said I was a leftist.

Hi all, still relatively new to this website, I mostly just use to to check reviews of comics I'm reading, but quick question: What does any of this have to do with this review or this comic book???

So you don't know what Marxism and Communism actually are. Your life experiences don't make you any more of an expert. You're just emotional about it. When you get done in the hug box, maybe read up on the ideologies that trigger you. It's good to know, for argument.

Still no answer princess? Why will you communists get it right this time? Hash it out you said.

Classic Merlyn. Refuses to engage with the question. Insults others intelligence, then walks away or blocks, which he can’t do here. You have no idea what you’re talking about, because you’re lying and full of shit and don’t actually know what Marxism is. Or Communism. You just “know” they’re bad because Tucker tells you they are 5 nights a week.

Merlyn you’re literally the Marjorie Green Taylor of this site

Hey, MGT was successful at least. Somehow tripped her way into legitimate power. Merlyn has no such claim.

Ok, one last post and again, I'm really, really sorry. Just wanted to tell anyone here that they're entertaining a loser, Loafy, that because I blocked him immediately made up a fake account here deliberately to insult me (he named "Merlyn is a ") with Trump at his profile picture because he suffers from last stage TDS. Just to know who you're talking about. An idiot who can't read a wikipedia article and who's tortured by Trump and Fox News. Ok, this was the last one, I swear. :)

Dude, you fucking suck at insulting me. Maybe do some reading next time so you don’t look like a fucking dip shit because you don’t know the differences between Stalinism, communism and Marxism.

If Loafy is a loser, 90% of everyone here is. Excluding me and maybe Egon.

"Ok so this is clearly a Milestone book since all of the action revolves around black people (the only white people are the villains, of course)" Just want to point out the dumbest commentary I've ever seen from Merlyn

@Mout: So you post a comment here deliberately to attack me AFTER you said you don't see why you should ever talk to me and when I'm asking you to ignore me as you said you would, you block me for no reason. Good to know you're a coward like your other buddies on this website. You'll excuse me if I'm going to block you too and never bother to unblock you because you're such an awful person.

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Lift yourself up on your feet, let's get it on

Egon...you have my word I wont do this in one of your reviews again you've been exceedingly patient and a gentleman throughout. Merlyn the cupcake gave me dreams and wishes big bad banks when I asked him why this time communism will be different hes a clown. Let them twist in the wind man .

So Egon, do you support your buddy Ming being openly homophobic?

@Psy I'm yet to see him acting that way.

Lmao really?