I was kinda shocked by the positive response too. This did nothing for me.

What anti-semitism are you talking about, son

Mostly the left-wing antisemitism we've seen these last weeks, add to that the far-right's antisemitism. It's probably the only thing that the leftists and far-righters agree about. Both gropus viscerally hate Jews. The only difference is that the far-right is blatantly honest about their hate while the leftists package their hate in a fake "concern" about Palestina.

The real antisemitic take is acting like Israel and Zionists represent Jewish people.

Israel represents Jewish people, sorry your dumb ass can't understand that. But I see, you're one of those "anti-Zionist" guys. That's just a thinly-veiled way of saying you hate Jews and Israel. I hate antisemites, please go away.

And just stop talking with me or involving yourself in conversations I'm involved. You blocked me like the moronic COWARD that you are, you keep talking behind my back without giving me the chance to defend myself, WHY ARE YOU STILL TRYING TO TALK WITH ME? Logic says that when you block someone you don't want to keep talking with him, yet this is the third of fourth time you do it. You're either schizophrenic or just really, really stupid. Or maybe both.

Israel does not represent Jewish people. That's incredibly bigoted to say. That you'd tie a terrible apartheid state to a group of people is very telling. That type of thinking is why hate crimes against Jewish people go up after the Israel/Palestinian conflict heats up again. I think the Israeli government only represents the Israeli government. Quit assuming Jews are a hive mind. That's antisemitic.

I just don't like when bigots try to perpetuate more bigotry.

Israel represents the Jewish people. That has nothing to do with bigotism. Apartheid state lol. No, hate crime against Jewish peope go up because of people like you who perpetuate anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. And STOP TALKING WITH ME SINCE YOU'VE BLOCKED ME, you utter moron!

Says the anti-Semite who tries, but fails, to hide his true colors and his hate towards Israel and its people.

I don't hate Israel, just the terrible authoritarian right government. Again, you're the one being anti-semitic by acting like it represents Jewish people. How terrible.

It represents Jewish people, it's an elected democratic government.

That's how democracy works. Or, if you want to play it this way, Joe Biden doesn't represents American citizens so he's not a legitimate president. Same thing. :)

I didn't realize all Jews lived in Israel? Oh wait, they don't. Lol.

Also, elected representatives do represent the people who elected them, but that doesn't mean the actions of the government are the actions of the people.

Most American live in America, most British live in UK, most Jews in Israel. Diaspora can vote too. I know you're extremely retarded but even a cretin like you gets that. It's just that you can't contain your hate for Israel and Jews, you're almost as bad as far-righters.

I'm critical of the actions of the Israeli government. As anyone with a sense of morals should be.

Stop with this nonsense that the government doesn't represent the people, that's democracy. Or, like I said, you could admit that Biden is not the legitimate president of US, by your backwards logic. Can you just stop talking with me, you retarded moron since you blocked me?

You do know most Jews actually live in the United States? And the diaspora can't vote directly in the Israeli elections, but rather can vote for action within their native governments. Also, there's a large portion of Palestinians within Israel that aren't allowed a vote. So not even people who live there can all vote.

What makes someone a legitimate president of the United States is winning the election, which Biden did. That doesn't mean all his actions represent the goals and stances of all Americans. That's an impossible standard.

Ok. You're either incredibly, incredibly stupid or you're just trolling because you hate Israel so much and you're looking for ridiculous stuff to justify your hate. Either way, I'm done trying to argue with retarded morons. One good thing I took from this conversation, though, it seems like Biden is not the legitimate US president so that has to count for something. Bye bye now and stop interfering in my conversations, you dumb schizophrenic!

Advice to Rasiel: block this moron, since that's the way he deals with people he disagrees with, it's fair game.

Lmao

Israeli citizens may vote regardless of their current resident status. However, in practice, Israeli expats are required to travel to Israel in order to vote, because voting is only possible in ballot boxes, and ballot boxes are only set up in Israel and in the Palestinian territories. (Voting outside of Israel is available to restricted groups of military and diplomatic personnel that are stationed outside of Israel. -> From Wikipedia, this is just so people don't listen to anti-Semitic lies.

This applies to Israeli citizens, not the diaspora.

Here's a fun graphic, btw: https://imeu.org/article/who-can-vote-in-israeli-elections/

That was not for you, I'm done talking with you. You blocked me, I'm ignoring you. It would be lovely if you would do the same.

Well, I responded because as I said earlier, I am not content with letting bigotry run rampant.

You're the anti-Semitic bigot, not me.

I think this conversation proves otherwise lmao

Nope.

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Merlyn, you are a psycho out of your mind.

Merlyn, you're crazy, go to therapy, you're very toxic

Nope, just speaking out the truth, both of you should go away if my reviews upset you so much.

*my commentaries

What’s fan fiction about it

I mean his entire career, but about this one: Barbara and Jason kissing, Joker making Joe Chill the new Joker, Joker being a role that people take instead of a single human being, TKJ origin being canonical so Joker has an actual family now (and a son)...

But in the end, I think Johns teased us about the three jokers in Justice League before actually thinking what he was going to do with it. So he wrote himself into a corner.

How’s any of this is fan fiction? In TKJ it already gave us the wife and son angle, if TKJ point was that everything joker is a lie then what’s the point of that comic? Expect it wasn’t, the one bad day was the fact that joker wife and son died, but the twist her makes it interesting, it could add new meaning to the future of these characters. Hell they can make joker son a hero or a villain.

ok buddy

you won't do that again I hope

You what?!

Jokes on you I guess

They are teasing a more sadistic Joker, the whole three jokers was to play mind games with Batman, and help build his legacy but the comedian has now healed Batman through Chill and so now wants to be the only pain and the deepest pain he can feel. I love the the idea that joker hates not being the main source of Batman deepest pain, so much so that he helps Batman find closure, and heal that wound. This is next level sadism by Joker and that’s a genius/clever idea. Builds up for the future.

Also I don’t get how does he make sense to compare Hickman run on Xmen to this 😂. That’s like comparing GL run with this self contained story.

The Joker was already sadistic to begin with, we didn't need another story to show how sadistic he is. And I'd say that the Joker has done much more to harm Batman in other stories than in this story. Batman as a character hasn't even changed from beginning to end of this story. No character even goes through any changes in this story, which is why it's so unremarkable. Also the comparison was using Hickman's Avengers, and it was a metaphor that might have gone over your head.

I used it to say that there are ways to tell an interesting story and then put the toys back in the playbox which is what this 3 jokers book was. Nothing changed in Batman mythos from before the book than after the book ended. You can change up story telling conventions and tell an interesting story, but for me this story was just basic Batman and Joker duality story. Wow, we haven't gotten that before in any story right?

How does the fact Joker wife and son still alive not change the mythos or future of Batman? How does him healing and forgiving Joe Chill in his last moments (which gave him full closure) and putting it behind his back not adding anything. Also the fact Jason is thinking about healing and moving on from Red Hood is something different. Also didn’t he finally kill joker?Isn’t that adding to the mythos? Also wanting to heal with someone but lacks the strength to heal independently is strong writing

But this next level sadism adds to the joker lore. Also what makes joker so sadistic are these moment in comics, spitting the word sadistic around is more than just a word, you have to earn it and this joker earned his sadism by healing Batman (which adds to the mythos of who actually healed him). Wanting to be his biggest and deepest pain.That’s 100% Joker and that’s how he should be written giving reasons why he’s the baddest and alpha evil, saying a guy is sadistic isn’t enough.

Oh the fact this Joe Chill actually has a reason why he killed Batman parents is adding to the lore. Originally it was thought that it was a random guy that thought it was cool to kill two parents which makes no sense whatsoever, it was so random obviously he had a good reason to kill and let the kid live. It has to add up, and this book offers that. It’s an interesting new take, it’s a realistic take. You can hate it but saying this comic added nothing to the lore is bs.

Joker's wife and son being alive will not have any impact on the DC universe whatsoever, and it shouldn't have an impact on the Batman at all. They are characters that do not matter in the grand scheme of things. I said in my review that him forgiving Joe Chill is cool, but it is unoriginal. He did that exact same thing in many other media including other comics.

Jason looking to move on from Red Hood has been explored so many times as well in Red Hood series, in Batman series. And let me tell you why it won't happen. It won't happen because DC knows that the Red Hood concept sells, which is why Jason will always resort to Red Hood. And how is this next level sadism from Joker? He wants to be Batman's greatest pain? That was already clear ever since Joker killed Jason the first time.

Also it’s clearly a sequel to killing joke and previous books. It’s not supposed to be completely different. If Geoff Johns completely changed the mythos people will eat him alive and say that didn’t happen, that’s silly and fan fiction, it’s forced and so on. So adding to the lore is a hot take lol. Also the fact this Batman for once in his life is a good parent and isn’t just an asshole is a breath of fresh air lol.

Batman already has been facing his demons with the Joker for decades and it has been clear in numerous stories that Batman and Joker will always be a duality. Why do we need another story to show that the Joker is Batman's top archenemy/problem/pain? How does that change Batman as a character? And Red Hood killing the Joker? Cool, there's a Joker still alive at the end of the story.

If there were no Jokers alive at the end of the story, or if Batman was able to overcome his obsession with the Joker or their connection, that would have worked so well. I'll reference Arkham Knight, which is not the best Arkham game, but it handles the Joker/Batman relationship so well. Batman is able to overcome Joker's obsession and lock Joker away from his mind forever, overcoming one of his greatest fears. That is how characters should progress, not just the same thing happening

So the fact that the joker can find out about his kid and wife isn’t interesting 😂 or his son can become a hero or turn a villain by Joker is not an appealing idea lol, to me it has a lot of potential for the future of dc do they ever decide to capitalize on it. Who you kidding. It adds a lot of promise, and impact on the future of dc if they go with it. But hey let’s shut down every interesting idea that can come with this because I can’t think myself.

So you want a story about jokers not to be about Batman but rather him moving on from joker 😂. Boy you should never write a comic.

Cool I guess that's your opinion. In my opinion, the Joker having a son who can become a hero is a really dumb idea. And it has been done in the past that a villain's son/offspring is a hero. And making them into a big deal just ruins the mystery surrounding the Joker. Obviously from a money perspective, the idea of oh my god the Joker's son is alive? We gotta tell a story about him. But from a creative standpoint? that idea doesn't have a lot of merit in my opinion.

Joker Killing Red hood isn’t the sadest part of his life, it’s his parents death that still haunts him, and it’s in every freaking book where he never moves on from his parents death and they do it perfectly here. He’s no healed because he’s done with Joe Chill and he’s in peace with him, that’s what always haunted him and what made him fear. Not red hood, he’s still alive and killing people that’s just one level, what this comedian did is genius and clever, he won after all. Now it’s all him.

And to your last point about Batman moving on from the Joker? Yes I'd love that. I read fiction, not just comics in general, to see story progress and move forward. Why do I want to keep seeing him fight the Joker? When I know at the end of the day the Joker will just escape and live to harrass Batman again. If you want a realistic take as you claimed above, Jason would have killed the Joker at the end as well. I would have liked that more than the ending of this series.

Is it bad for me to want Batman to move on from the Joker? The Joker is an overused character that DC knows sells, so he will be in as many Batman stories as possible. Ironically if they shelved the Joker for a couple years or killed him for a couple years, his story of his return would probably sell more than the stories that they keep telling about the Joker.

But this is three jokers story, how can he move on from the joker? If he killed him, he will be haunted by it forever, he can never escape the joker. That’s the point, that’s why he’s his greatest nemesis. DC can do stories without joker, this story will have no impact on the fact joker will never be used, this book will be too silly and overlooked if that’s why it’s saying lol. It’s contradicting cuz it’s all about the history of the two villains.

But in this story he moved on from Joe Chill. That’s great progress for Batman lol. Are you saying he will forgive joker for the things he did and move on? That makes no sense. The fact dc can use any villain has nothing to do with joker being his greatest or not. Every hero has his greatest villain. It’s not a new concept.

Batman should not kill the Joker. That should be reserved for Jason or be totally out of Batman's control. I never said that Batman should kill the Joker. This story would have worked so much better if the Joker died is what I'm saying. Provide some finality to this Batman joker duality and never ending battle. They've been at it for nearly 100 years. If you want to keep reading joker stories for the next 100 years without an end in sight then good for you, that's your opinion.

That's why when jason killed the first joker, I was very happy he did so. Its the one major thing Jason has done since he has been back and killing joker might allow him to move on from that dark spot in his life

So you’re saying kill joker for good? Sorry for saying this but are you dumb?

Yes, I'd love it if DC had the guts to kill the Joker for good or at least a decade. Why do we need so many joker stories? In the past year we've gotten Joker in dozens of stories. Yes he is an important character, but characters can get overused.

Let people miss the joker or let writers have time to come up with better stories with the joker. Killing him or shelving him for a couple years would allow for that. And it would allow for Batman and the Bat family to progress their characters away from the just more joker after joker story

From what you’ve said it sounds like you’re sick of the Joker, which is fine. Just don’t read stories about him. He’s not in every DC story let alone every Batman story, he’s easy to avoid. Yeah he’s in the black label a lot but most the stories he’s in are good. It was obvious they weren’t going to kill him in this when the artist said it could be canon.

True, the black label stuff has been good. Can't deny that. What I mean by joker oversaturation is what's been going on in the main Batman title, this title, Justice League when it was written by Snyder, Death Metal, Dark Knights Metal as well. Even in doomsday clock, Joker played a role in that. And that's the problem is that DC comics seem to rely on the Joker always being part of Batman stories, which is a problem

They should give any other villain a boost. Besides the Joker, the most recent villain that's gotten a huge boost was Bane in Tom King's run

I see what you mean. I do think after the disappointing joker war and this story joker should have a few years break for underrated villains like mad hatter but nothing as long as a decade.

Yes, my ideal Batman run would work more along the line of Detective where arc would alternate between new and old villains. 6 issues to tell a story for an old villain, while using the next 6 to introduce a new villain or a new story for Batman. So that will keep the reader guessing as to who the next Batman villain or story is. If you keep using the same villain over and over again, with the same story basically, it does get repetitive and readers start to drop books

Never had a plan for Rebirth indeed. So true. I remember loving and being so excited by DC Rebirth Special and each of the promising new arcs that were clearly meant to spin out of it. Well, I re-read it after reading this issue and was flabbergasted that not a single thing in that comic book resulted in anything at all, apart from that dang button. (Remember Diana's brother Jason? Yeah, me neither.) Literally nothing came from that Special apart from the utterly disappointing Doomsday Clock.

Dummy the real joker is the comedian 😂. Can’t read ha?

Also King understands the characters more than Geoff Johns shows how stupid you are

Also the point of the killing joke was that the joker is an unreliable narrator. Also the one bad day thing isn’t pointless since he still thinks they are dead.

Geoff Johns writes fan fiction.

Yet you can’t say what’s fan fiction about this

@VicSav So since you have zero arguments& didn’t understand this basic story you have to insult me? Or are you just butthurt, because I criticized your favorite writer& that’s why you act all aggressive & emotional?

i agree with most of your review, except for the part where you said Geoff Johns is "worse than King". .... NO, my friend!!! ain't NO ONE worse than King!! that guy's the worst of the worst!!

@The Dark Knight Detective - thank you! ... OH! absolutely. ....i may not care for Johns' writing on Batman, but his Superman, Aqualman and Green Lantern writing are great!!! he has a good sense of how to tell uplifting inspiring stories. i've not yet read his Flash. but i hear good things. ... Tom King on the other hand likes to peddle stories about depression and PTSD, as if he'd not already outed himself as a one-trick pony ages ago. he just writes every character as pathetic and sad.

Everytime I visit this site I'm like: "oh, so this is still a thing..."