Hey I'd take a moody constipated Tim drake over the suddenly super twink he is now, drawn with girls eyelashes and chibi art super happy style. God this is the dumbest time in comics history.

My brother in Christ, Court of Owls wasn't even that good.

@Hex I completely skimmed the last issue of that storyline. Too much dialogue of a fight between Batman and a character that I could've done without.

It's also made infinitely worse afterwards as DC has gone on and bastardized what the Court was.

Look you can say what you want but the court of owls is a 9-9.5/10 Batman story. And one of the best stories dc put out since 2000. And people need to stop just rating books, based on the characters sexuality. There is no chance this book deserves a 9.8/10 score lol. It's no long Halloween, it's no the dark knight rises, it's not born again, and it wasn't any other classic that will be remembered forever. It will be forgotten about and replaced by next years pride anthology.

@daredevil....... maybe read the whole story since that character was an awesomely done new villian. Skipping to the last issue of a story and then not caring about who the new villian is. Is fucking stupidity. What are you 12?

@Batmanaholic You seem tense. I suggest taking a break from the internet and go outside.

The Court of Owls was my favorite Batman book. Before I grew up and read better books. And DC didn't mercilessly push it further than it was meant to. Books like this are for those in the LGBTQ+ community who don't feel heard or represented nearly enough and to say that they can't rate this a 10/10 just because it won't have lasting impact the same way those other stories have is sad. Who are you to say their enjoyment of the book is wrong?

This book is for everyone but if you don't care about Pride, why did you read it? Or... did you not even read it and just mark it as read so you can put in your shitty two cents?

"Skipping to the last issue of a story and then not caring about who the new villian is. Is fucking stupidity. What are you 12?" Are YOU 12? Letting your big boy feelings out. He died after that issue and became obsolete and forgotten. Lincoln March was horrendously under baked. Cool (although unoriginal) idea, poor execution. Unceremoniously killed off because he served no purpose outside of that story.

No one, absolutely no one, including the most die-hard fans of Scott Snyder's Batman, thinks that Lincoln March is anywhere in the stratosphere of a well-written villain. Everyone agrees that the Court of Owls story went downhill once March re-entered the picture. That "maybe I'm Bruce's long lost brother" shit was trite when Bane did it.

@hwx Lincoln March ..... was in Batman eternal after that bud. Maybe you need to read more Batman comics 🤷‍♂️ And also let's not act line dc does not have a bunch of lgbtq characters. Like to be honest every superhero's kid is lgbtq or atleast one of them is. Let's stop acting like lgbtq don't have representation in the industry it's not 1976.

And no people rating a book perfect, simply because people are gay in it is dumb as shit, and I'll read it tomorrow when I get the rest of my dc pile. I will read this just so I can make fun of how dumb half the stories are. I'm sure there will be 2 great stories 2 mediocre stories and 2 aweful stories like every anthology book ever 🤷‍♂️

Better Batman stories since the court of owls ........ Nothing Tom king did. Nothing tynion did Williamson only got 1 arc And now we get zdarsky. But in the Batman title I would say the court of owls is the best Batman book since the new 52 started. And Lincoln March was a fun villian, who was literally behind everything that goes down in Batman eternal. But please tell me more about how he was never seen again after the city of owls part 2.

I said AFTER that issue he died. Clearly your reading comprehension isn't very strong. Hence why you think Court of Owls is god's gift to Batman. It's not about whether or not there are LGBTQ+ heroes or not. It's whether they get regular recognition and aren't constantly bashed by homophobes and bigots. No one said anything about better Batman stories since Court of Owls. You really don't retain much do you? Makes sense thinking Lincoln March was a well written villain.

if a person feels like a book is 10 out of 10, it's 10 of 10 for him. Maybe he found something, in it, that you could't. What's the biggie? it's his score not yours.

@criminology because I'm tired of bullshit scores and people being award a 10/10 just because book has diversity in it. They are fake ratings, for an anthology book to be a 10/10. That means the story and art in every single story within that anthology was a 10/10. And we all know it wasn't. A 10/10 rating should be reserved for literally the best comics of all time. Like out of the thousands of comics I own. Maybe 15-25 deserve a 10/10. It's extremely tough to be a perfect book.

@hex yes when you imply " after the issue he does " that kinda makes it seem like you didn't read Batman eternal. Since you said he dies after this issue. Not fights Batman again in Batman forever. And yes the court of owls was gods gift to Batman fans. New lasting villains and a great story that hasn't been topped by the next theee writers on the title. A lot of people would call that a classic dipshit. 🤷‍♂️

Batman eternal not forever.

I agree with Criminology. I loved the Kevin Conroy story, but the rest of the book was kinda meh for me; I'm not really into romance stories. I gave it a 9 because the Conroy story makes the book worth $10. (Also, I'm guessing some readers will give it a 1 because they're homophobes.)

Don't take it so personal, It's not in your control and should not really affect you. People use different systems of rating. For example, i'm prone to rate something 10 out of 10, if it's accomplishes everything, it sets up to do. Or maybe i just enjoyed it just that much. Maybe that particular book means something to those people, who rated it 10 out of 10. People have different priorities, like certain books for different reasons, subscribe to different ideas about art etc.

Especially when those 10 out of 10 review, do not have any text with them, i think it's really futile to think anything of them. Whatever you are guessing, it could be wrong. So i don't see a reason to think anything of them, especially them being fake. This site is to express your opinions and feeling on the book and maybe why you don't think it deserves a high rating, not going after the people, who don't share your feelings. IMO at least

Just because something is "classic" doesn't mean it's great. Many of the mini series that have come out since the N52 alone have been better stories than Court of Owls. But none of that has to do with the issue at hand. Read the book before you decide to start a flame war because you are upset that DC released another Pride book. I'm sure for some people, this book means a lot to them. Read the issue, think about it and what is it supposed to represent to those whom it is written about.

Agreed, there is tons of "classic" stuff, i disliked. I think with reviews honesty to your thoughts and feelings is one of the most important things, not necessary how admirable and innovative the work is.

Honestly, who in their right mind would read Batman Eternal?

That Kevin Conroy story is an absolute 10/10.

Very odd to compare an anthology issue to a storyline. They aren't usually comparable, wouldn't you agree? And people rate them differently, because are different? Because they use logic in those review I would say. And my guy, Court of Owls is a great point to start reading Batman. It's not the best Batman storyline released in the past decade or so, but I would say it's the best starting point. But then again, that's just my opinion. As these reviews usually are, eh?

@hex I've read every single Batman story since court of owls, and most of the greats that came before it. Other then the bigby one, and no I disagree with that. And look, the only point I was really trying to make. Was that if people rate books 10/10 that are not 10/10 then a 10/10 becomes a worthless number that doesn't mean anything. And no offence but I can guarantee dc pride is not a perfect comic book. And I hate bullshit reviews without reason 🤷‍♂️

Also amazing whatever the fuck your name is, Batman eternal was better overall then Tom kings Batman run, and the new 52 detective comics run, and has a fairly well done twist at the end 🤷‍♂️ I've read a lot worse from Tom king and Mariko Tamaki since.

My guy, why doesn't that apply to 1/10 reviews too? With that logic, those are as much of bullshit reviews as 10/10? And I don't think people think 10/10 means perfect. For me for example means "it does everything it's supposed to do and it does it almost perfectly".

@afre it does buddy. People who review bomb a 1.0/10 are just as bad, unless they give a an good reason why the comic isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Most comics are in 4/10-8/10 range. And doing everything your supposed to and doing it almost perfect is a 8.5/10 to me. You already stated it's not perfect. There is nothing wrong with a 8.5/10 rating that's fucking amazing. And that's a book I'll buy a hardcover of for the shelf!

So yes we need to get rid of the 1.0/10 reviews with no text, and we need to get rid of the 10/10 rating without an explanation into why this is a perfect comic book. Because 10/10 doesn't mean really good. It means perfection. And should not be given out a lot. Let alone multiple times a week by some reviewers just trying to get there name on the back cover of a graphic novel.

My boy, Batman Eternal had about six issues of story stretched into a 52-issue along with a "twist" that everyone predicted two issues in.

I think the weirdness of this whole thread is that you chose to put your foot down on these 1/10 and 10/10 ratings over a Pride special rather than the multitude of other series where people do this same thing.

@ the brave and bold And it's still better then the other series I've listed, and better then anything tom kind write after I am bane.

@amazing And this was jsut the most egregious of the week and it was the straw that broke the camels back. About bullshit fake 10/10 reviews. 🤷‍♂️

My guy, I don't think anyone is saying King's run was better than Eternal. They are just saying it wasn't that good (and it really wasn't, like why did Croc beat Bane and speak Spanish suddenly???) And I think we can all agree that White Knight is the peak Batman. And my guy, maybe next time if you want to ask people to add context to their reviews and not give plain 10/10 or 1/10, maybe don't start with complaining about just the 10s in DC's Pride Anthology? And maybe word it better?

Peak Batman is Moon Knight.

The new show was such a disappointment and I really hoped it would be like Lemire's run. Now it's Jeds job to carry Moon Knight on his back since Disney couldn't be bothered to do so.

Agree with Afre on Moon Knight show

I liked the new show. For a character that gets consistently revamped every run or so, it's actually baffling to me how many Moon Knight fans couldn't stand something different. We all like the Lemire run. And hot take: That run is not a beginner's run. That story should not be someone's first Moon Knight story. And it sure as shit shouldn't have been the show's story.

I didn't dislike it because it was different. I just hoped it would've taken more risks. It had a solid start, very boring second and third episode, mediocre fourth one with an interesting ending, amazing fifth one and just boring finale. Maybe I just hoped it would be more like Daredevil in a way. It had great additions and changes too and Layla was one of them, but mostly it was just meh for me.

I think Ellis's run is the perfect starting point, but how can that be adapted

Moon knight was fun untill it skipped over the best part of the fight scenes in the last episode.

My man, I hope your charging Tom King rent to live in your head so much

I think everyone in this comment section, needs to go read the Batman news review of this comic...... from a gay man, who's honestly rating each story in this book. It proved everything I said 100% true lol 🤣🤣🤣

True, gays are never wrong. That's why you guys need to read my objectively correct review from a bisexual, coming soon.

Well, if there's any trustworthy reviewer out there, it's certainly Batman News, the site that produced inane fanboy rants over Batman eating unhealthy burgers.

I'm sorry to tell you this my man, but if the guy from Batman News didn't like this, it doesn't make the Court of Owls peak Batman or best written Batman story in the last decade.

Afre technically it's no longer from the past decade, and what is to you? What is the best Batman story since 2012? Let's hear it? Also I meant the over rating of this book just because it says pride on the cover.

The Batman.

Batman: Imposter, Batman: The Knight, some of Kings' stories (like War of Riddles and Jokes and I am Bane), Endgame and The Button are better stories than Court of Owls. Three Jokers up there too. Best story that is peak Batman? Easily White Knight and it's sequels.

(And in my defense, you did say "It proved everything I said 100% true" and that included praising Court of Owls and saying it's best Batman. So you can't really fault me for correcting :)

@Afre All of those are really fun. I loved the first 3 arcs of King's run but jumped off after that. Never read Jokes and Riddles.

Don't read it, it's not as funny or clever as the title suggests.

I stopped reading King's run right before the fake wedding. The run just gets declines more and more as the run continues (aside from the Super-Friends arc with Superman). Cold Days, however, was a good story (but I've read it before I decided to binge King's run).

The only trade I have of King's run is that hardcover collecting his issues with Lee Weeks on art, which are in my opinion the best stuff from his entire tenure on the title.

I prefer Zero years over Court of Owls. Supes and bats arc was my fave out of King's run

Ya Tom kings two issue double date with Clark and Lois was probably the best two issues of his run. Which should prove why I make fun of his run the way I do.... And Batman imposter is not better then court of owls, the white knight I might give you on part but not better and the sequel while gorgeous isn't as good as 1, endgame not better then court three jokers was beautiful but a better story... no just no.

I thought Imposter was incredibly middling and was disappointed in hindsight to realize it really was similar to the movie's tone.

Bigot

You didn't like the Kevin Conroy story?

Yet another example of the word "cringe" being used in place of a cogent thought.

@uktsr Cope.

This review is cringe.

Look man I rip on the 10/10 reviews for being horseshit. But you gotta let the lgbtq people have their book too. Just don't read it, I just don't wanna see this only be rated 9/10-10/10 and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot or a homophobe etc. etc. But this book was definitely not a 1/10 lol

Crying about "corporate" in a week with "movie synergy before it got delayed" Flashpoint Beyond and "the biggest mega event of the year" Dark Crisis is some real galaxy brain energy

@Fizgoog Since you are going there, statistically speaking, straight white males are SIGNIFICANTLY higher among pedophile numbers than any non-straight person of any other gender or ethnicity. Historically speaking. And that's not conjecture. It's in many texts throughout history.

@Fizgoog. You're just a homophobe and a bigot and something should certainly be done about you on this platform and any others like you that participate in the kind of rhetoric that you all spew.

Promoting conspiracy that's led to a historic government crackdown on a group of people, with the intent to erase their identity, subvert their free will and take away their rights is cringe.

Sounds like the exact thing many countries across the world fought against in the 40s. Actions and events that inspired comic writers and artists to create the very heroes we all read. In fact I remember a young Jewish man who created a teenage web-slinger, a blind Catholic boxer, an African king, and group of mutants. All of whom come from different walks of life and have every right to live as those they are persecuted by.

Looks like the Matt Gaetz account got banned

The guy who gave DC's summer event comic a 9.0 says this book about gay superheroes is corporate cringe.

It's well written and you give it 1? How do you rate crap issues then, -1, -2?

You are an idiot. The book features a lgbtq character. And it's a new series out during pride month. Sometimes people just want to read a well written story, not every lgbtq characters story has to be about their sexuality. That's boring as fuck. Grow up a 1/10 just because the book didn't focus on her being gay the entire issue? This is why a lot of comic fans can't stand people who make everything about their sexuality. Just enjoy the story. They didn't make her straight lol.

This is why you guys don't deserve any of this marketing like the "pride" stamp. You don't care about the characters at all, all you want is freaky stuff. There's pornhub for that.

I don’t really see it as him condoning the looting but rather as being empathetic to the looters especially considering its Gotham City. Given the circumstances established by that point, Batman’s priorities are capturing the Arkham escapees which Gordon told him about. And considering the fact one of those was Joker, compared to looters it’s a given on who I’d choose to focus towards if I were Batman. Maybe under different circumstances he would have done something about them looting.

Nope Batman's talking points sounded exactly the save as a left wing nut job, blue check mark on twitter. And Batman does not talk or think that way. Crime is not allowed in Gotham.

fair enough.

@Batmanaholic - 4.5 is extremely generous. This comic is utter trash. Though even trash had value at one point in time. So this comic is even worse than trash.

See this noon made me realize I'm a Batman fan and not really a dc fan. Because I have no fucking clue who the fuck that guy is lol and I own a lot of comic book. But basically no dc outside of Batman or justice league lol. So the reveal to me was a big "ummmmm ok who the fuck is that and why do I care"

I have not read the story yet, but you know kryptonians know every language on earth right? It's super easy for them to study and learn a new language with the pfe they read at, also robin knows other languages. And also if the book was written I chinease non of us could have read it.

In issue two, Robin mentions that he has a translator and offers to give Supergirl one. Supergirl declines it, saying she knows the language.

^^^ I forgot that part this is why trade reading is sometimes better when you have 17 series on the go.

I just told my gf " it's the dark knight returns for Tmnt fans " I fucking love this book. Best comic since 2020. Hands down. And this is from a Batman phobic that never says anything is better then Batman lol

I hope it's Tim, and they make them a couple. And the Bernard thing can be forgotten about 🤷‍♂️

The Robin in this book is Dick Grayson.

I thought so. My impression was this story is continuity-agnostic. It definitely does not suffer for it.

But what specifically was bad about the writing?

Wait why is being friends with one of the top Batman writers of all time a bad thing? Also I used to follow sgm on twitter he left twitter years ago....... what in the hell are you blabbering on about here?

Right??

Well, I don't think Snyder is one of the greatest of all time, not even close. But what Whistle is criticizing is hiring someone for being friends with Snyder and not being a good writer. I don't know if that's the case.

Neither do I. I used to think so myself but Snyder definitely fell off. Murphy has a history of working with other creators on many projects that were received mostly positively. I just want to know why he thinks he's not a good writer.

by the previous volumes, they are not a big deal

Ok then top 5 outta : Morrison, Rucka, Burbaker, Dini, Snyder, Wagner, johns, sgm, tynion, king, Adams, aparo, Barr, Moore, miller, azzarello, Dixon, sterlin. And sorry to any I didn't list. Who's your top 5 favourite Batman writers? It's tough to do isn't it? Because there are soooo many stories I and I love Batman stories by everyone I just listed and more. I just read the first ones off books on my shelf.

Personally: Miller, O'Neil, Brubaker, Murphy, Grant, Dixon. I will read any of the stories written by these guys any day that you set them in front of me. Batman or not. Miller less so and Snyder's Black Mirror is my second favorite Bat-book.

But 1 guy having written: black mirror, court of owls,city of owls, death of the family, zero year, endgame, metal, last knight on earth. And the Batman who laughs. Puts him in the top 5 to me, and the fact his run has capullo with it, just makes it one of the most fun reads in all of comics. I never had a bad time reading a Scott Snyder Batman book. And the highs are all time highs when he hits it right.

Ya black mirror is easily the best Batman book that doesn't have Batman in the costume. Hands down, and one of the most amazing dick Greyson stories of all time. Miller, Morrison, Snyder, Wagner, Loeb would go down as my top 5 if I had to say with a gym to my head, but dini, burbaker, sgm, are all amazing too. I like how we have all this different styles to enjoy. It's what makes Batman the best, he always gets great writers. And they all give us a little different take on our favourite hero:)

Black Mirror is my favorite Batman work from Snyder. Top 5 Batman run for me personally.

Black mirror is a classic, and my detective 880 is my favourite cover in my entire comic collection!