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Yeah, I also consider it a victory.
• We can't tell you a single thing that happens here without spoiling just about every issue that comes out between the time you're reading this and when ASM #73 comes out.
Rated T+
All of the artists deliver some great visual moments filled with detail and vibrancy. A great looking issue. Read Full Review
Amazing Spider-Man #73 prepares Spidey fans for the big fight between Spider-Man and Kindred and drops another big revelation for readers. Like past issues in Sinister War, the comic focuses on exploring the length of Kindred's machinations. However, there is another huge retcon in this comic that longtime Spider-Man fans will undoubtedly notice, and it's a good retcon for a change. It's not One More Day, but it's still a much needed retcon for Spider-Man. Read Full Review
The Amazing Spider-Man pulls ahead with issue #73 this week, and its convoluted reveal introduces a twist to Kindred's long tale. Read Full Review
Amazing Spider-Man#73 isn't a bad issue...as long asyou can stomach the retconning and the ongoing teases of Kindred. It continues to play the usual story beats we've seen since Kindred's story first kicked into gear, making portions of this feel rote, but the flashback reveals are meaty and connect with very important moments in the Osborn backstory. Sadly though, this continues to read like it's not Spider-Man's story at all, but a means to fix the kinks in Green Goblin's past. Read Full Review
While I am thankful for Nick Spencer officially undoing the damage done by the worst Spider-Man story of all time the overall Sinister War event continues to disappoint. The developments in Amazing Spider-Man #73 make a convoluted story even more so right as we reach the end. It all leaves you wondering if we needed such a big build up around Kindred's character given what this issue revealed. Hopefully Spencer can deliver a satisfying conclusion to his Amazing Spider-Man run and Kindred story in the next issue. Read Full Review
The art in this issue was a huge step up. I admit I'm bias as a massive spidey lore fan, but dang does Spencer know how to please fans like me. Spencer's bold kove to retcon the sins past story and connect it to Kindred seems abrupt at first but the more you think about it , the more it feels like natural plot than what actually happend in Sins Past.
I think the best part of the issue is that it does raise the stakes to the finale unlike the sinister war issues. My hope Spencer is able to tie all his loose ends in the next 80 page issue we re getting. It will sad to see a writer with so much lore detail leave.
This is confusing because so much to grasp. It was good that I made a chart for Spencer run because during last remain I understood that it is going to be confusing which it did. So making a chart helped me to enjoy the issue much better and not been confused while first time reading.
Sins Past gone. It's victory.
If he retcons OMD too, then he is going to hailed for writing Spidey even though I would hail him even today but if he does that too then it's just fricking awesome.
This makes Sarah and Gabriel interesting than before.
And Spencer really tried to make sense in everything while making a retcon. This thing I liked. I thought most of writer don't even care for previous work before them much but he clearly does which is clearly be seen in his entirety of run. Looking at you, Cates who retconned Galactus origin and killed Galactus. Looking at you, Jason Aaron who retconned Thor mother as Phoenix without considering the fact that he himself wrote Phoenix dated Thor.
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I mean, I wouldn't give a crap what people on Reddit say, it's not a very healthy place to look out for opinions.
Yes, but the huge disadvantage Reddit has is the upvote/downvote system. Something other platforms don't have. Say some unpopular stuff and you're going to the bottom of the page and that's kind of it. It doesn't really encourages diversity of opinion, it encourages echo-chambers.
The dark knight detective can u please give me the reddit link where everyone is complaining about this issue?
At its core, this issue is retconning away the worst of Sins Past and all the related storylines. That's great. I'm very glad about that. I really don't know what to expect from the final issue of this run. The two week wait will be hard, assuming the spoilers don't come out ahead of time. I'm kind of dreading explaining this issue to my friends when they read it and only get like half of it. So... Kindred's body is the result of an evolution of cloning tech, a campaign led by an AI Harry Osborn, to fuck with Peter and Norman, spinning out of his original Pursuit plan with Chameleon. Kindred is the original Harry Osborn's soul, that has escaped Hell, which he was sent to due to Norman's deal with Mephisto, who has possessed the body of Sarah Stacy, and has used Chameleon serum to keep up his appearance as Harry Osborn. The question is, what does that make Brand New Day Harry Osborn if Harry was never revived? I guess we'll find out next issue. We have to. I kind of love comic books being comic books, so I don't mind how convoluted it is. I just worry about the accessibility of this issue to people who aren't clued into the last few decades of Spider-Man. more
No offense psycamorean but I think its best to wait until the final issue for us to conclude that kindred body is part of cloning tech. I mean what if next issue it's revealed kindred is created by mephisto
Well, Kindred does say "this final form" in reference to the different incarnations of Sarah and Gabriel, as in the body he's possessed in the moment, which is Sarah's.
I actually think there are two Kindreds. Unless the stuff with Spider-Man is happening at a different time. If it's not, Kindred has possessed both Sarah and Gabriel.
Isso botou um sorriso no meu rosto.
This is probably the biggest reveal that will define Spencer's run for years to come. I remember reading Sins past in '04 and couldn't believe they expected that to fly. I knew it would one day be revealed as a hoax and that somehow those twins would be revealed to be clones. I know Spider-Man. Clones are their No. 1 answer to mistakes, just like reality-altering crisis crossovers are for DC.
The penultimate issue of Spencer's run was a decent one. It will be praised as the issue that ended 16 years of one of the most cockamamie excuses for a scandal in comic history.
to much information
I didn't think this day would ever come... SINS PAST IS OVER. GONE. ADIOS. Nick Spencer destroyed one of the most disgusting things ever written with ONE SINGLE ISSUE. Not only that, his retcon makes even more sense than that garbage original one (ok, not everything works but... yeah). The twins are now interesting characters without that shadow of Gwen's infidelity (Spencer even takes a shot at JMS) and we'll see what happens in the final issue, considering Mephisto will play a big role. IF (and I'm saying IF) Spencer manages to address OMD after retconning Sins Past, he'll be my idol for eternity.
This gets an automatic pass for retconning past sins. I enjoy the heavy attention to continuity. Not enough writers write as though they've not even read a Wikipedia article on the character (I'm referring to you Loeb and Bendis). I like Spencer is trying to weave everything together. The problem, and why I just can't rate it any higher, was that even for someone like myself, who has read all of the stories referred to, had to reread this jumble of a story to try to make sense of it. From a story telling perspective, this issue and entire arc has been poor. My enjoyment of explaining away past sins may be clouding some judgment here but that fact that I come out of this comic with enjoyment of any sort means it's a good comic. I read this stuff to enjoy it so the bottom line is fulfilled here. I just would have preferred this information to be spread over the past few issues, not an issue of information dumping that still leaves many questions unanswered. more
Completely agree, people seem to just love this because it is a retcon that everyone wanted. The writing here is so bad, and the journey to get here has been so tiresome
Confusion here, confusion there and confusion everywhere. It gives 2 answers and leaves 4 unanswered. It came out of nowhere and although I'm happy Sins Past is addressed and "fixed" by Spencer, I can't get my head around Kindred's final form and his relation to Mephisto. I get AI Harrry's work with Chamelion/Mysterio but the link to Mephisto and having demonic abilities to kill and revive whoever is not explained? Maybe next issue. As usual, the art is a mess but what else is new here. I am not as excited by this issue as some as it can't even begin to fix the mess I had to endure this past year with ASM. 875 better deliver but alas I don't have much hope here.
So this is probably going to be controversial, and I feel so bad for not liking this issue as much as other experienced reviewers like The Dark Knight Detective. I just want to say this is my opinion.
First, I like how this issue retcons Sins Past. I dont mind how complicated this is, like how Harry created a Gwen Clone or clones of Gwen's children. I dont mind that.
My problem was that there was absolutely NO build-up to this. I would have totally loved seeing how there was build-up to this issue. But there was no hint of Sarah Stacy and her bro. If there was hints that Nick Spencer was planning to retcon Sins Past AND deal with One More Day. But we had no build-up for this monumental incident. I also found all of Spider-Man's villains ganging up had no impact on Kindred babbling about Sins.
Speaking of Kindred, I am just going to be honest. Kindred is divisive. I understand how he wants to prove that Spider-Man brings misery to everyone, but honest to god he keeps on talking about Sins and just standing around. Thats literally his purpose. It's so boring and I am probably going to forget him in like a week.
Also, I am gonna mention how the art.... just doesn't work for me I am sorry. This is the final story for Nick Spencer's Spider-Man. But it just doesnt look good to be honest. But that's just my opinion.
All in all, its the best issue of this event..... but it could have been better more
Honestly, all the talk about sins made me think about Sins Past the entire time. And I wasn't alone in that, I recall speculation articles and posts about Sins Past being part of the run as far back as whenever Kindred started going on about sins.
Oh yeah that, for some reason I was thinking only issues 44-47 when talking about Sins Rising. Since my collected edition has divived the latter part to "Return of the Green Goblin", my mind just didn't connect that to Sins Rising for some reason.
I remember being pleasantly surprised Marvel released Hunted in one large trade, and foolishly thought they wouldn't siphon more money out of us than necessary.
With 2099, I would've settled with the Nick Spencer issues being included in the ASM trade. That's the only reason I bought the companion.
So this is a weird one. A lot happens here but I feel like this is a issue that only massive, massive Spider-Man fans, the kind of people who have read all issues, can totally grasp all the implications here. I like that he didn't pull back on Harry being Kindred, though.
My biggest issue is another one, though. Spencer's run has been very wordy and while some people complained about this, I actually enjoyed that, it was very reminiscent of old comics but in a pretty modern way, it wasn't dated. So when he writes an issue like this, with so many lore and history I feel like he could've used that sort of storytelling to clue in people who haven't read all the issues of Spider-Man starting with Amazing Fantasy #15. It just feels very lazy on his part and this coming right after Sinister Six is a problem. more
I mean I think I understood what happened but i just started reading newer comics like 6 years ago so besides early ASM I dont know what its referring to and it just seemed too jumbled for me to make total sense of it.
I'm so confused right now. I am also very confused even thinking how Spencer will wrap up everything in the next issue. Because there is so much to wrap up now. Final confrontation with Kindred and there are currently so many players there, Strange's hijacks with Mephisto, some kind of ending to this, what happens to the 35 villains who are in the graveyard unconscious, what happens after this to JJJ, Norman, Aunt May, MJ and Peter's engagement, Kindred's full backstory, what is the deal with two Harrys, what happens to Gog, hey Chameleon blackmailed Nora and possibly T&M, Ned being back alive, Kingpin's son being back alive, etc...
And to add to this list, possibly OMD being retconned, mentioned, who even knows anymore. But yeah. There is much to wrap up. Sure, the final issue is bigger, but is 80 pages enough to cover all of this? And only now, is Sins Past being retconned. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that happens since I too hate it, but the explonation here is kinda odd? And the mystery of Kindred deepens even more... And the penultimate issue really isn't the best place to not give a definitive answer, but even bigger mystery. We had what, 8 issues to cover this whole storyline but only now Spencer starts showing it all had some kind of purpose? Only now he gives an explanation what his endgame with this run is?
And this makes me question, why even make Sinister War it's own book? Why not make this main series (ASM 70-73) Sinister War and 71.SW, 72.SW and 73.SW like they did with Last Remains?
And this storyline really feels so similar to Last Remains. Plot progresses oddly (sometimes not at all, sometimes very rushed), mystery is getting deeper and even more messy and the answers we have just aren't enough. DIfference is that this is supposed to conclude after next issue.
And I dislike how much Spencer relies on old Spider-Man stories. This whole series has been good to those who have read Spidey for more than 20 years, but for newcomers? This is really hard to grasp. Sins Past, as atrocius as it was, happened over 15 years ago and hasn't been acknowledged since (for a good reason). But it's an odd point to suddenly focus without any kind of buildup. Spencer seems to ignore almost everything that happened to Spider-Man after OMD, because his series relies so much of you knowing what happend before that. And that's not a good choice.
I mean good example would be my reading history. I started reading Spider-Man monthly in 2008/2009 (aka here in Finland the aftermath of OMD and beginning of BND), and had I read only those, I would be so lost right now. And that was 12 years ago. So should one be so lost after reading the penultimate issue? I think not. These kind of revelations require a lot of buildup if they come so long ago and cannot be done in one single issue.
TLDR: I'm confused, 6.5/10 and a seal of confusion. And yay, no Sins Past I guess? more
Kindred pulls another identity out of his/their/its hat. Peter remains a passive football yet again, but presumably he'll have to do SOMETHING soon to resolve all this. Annoyingly, just as in the last Kindred climax, Nick Spencer abandons his usual "self-contained story" MO to dive deep into continuity, and my sketchy Spider-scholarship leaves me much more confused than I want to be. Still, I can tell some momentous and welcome retconning is happening here. But while mucking out horse stables is an important and useful job, its utility doesn't make it inherently fun to watch. On the visual side, the artist carousel is turning out slightly more tolerable results than before. It's still not nearly as good as sticking with a single artist, though. more
Very disappointing
Overly ambitious to the point where the entire sinister six storyline was too crowded, too convoluted, and too confusing. I’m ready for the Spencer run to end.
The September 11 memorial the end was very touching. I will never forget where I was when the towers went down and I pray that we as a country don’t take the unprecedented freedom, prosperity, and safety we’ve enjoyed as a nation fore granted.
Imagine taking 80 issues to retcon a single story no one considered canon anyway.
I disagree that no one considered it canon. In fact, Marvel went out of its way to reference Sins Past afterwards. In fact, when One More Day was being developed, JMS wanted to make the story non-canon, but Marvel insisted that it remain canon.
Hahahaha Let me tell you something friend, it's not up to you or fans to decide what's canon and what is not,for example you can go ahead and not consider secret war canon bcs u didn't like it and it was poorly done and no one mentioned in the upcoming comics, it would still be canonical, either you don't understand the concept of Canon, or you were those fans who were in completely denial
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