Hey look one week later we see eye to eye on a Batman book. Did hell feeeze over?

We may have disagreed heavily on that Riddler book but at the end of the day it seems like we are just both big Batman fans and that is what is important. I am glad you are enjoying this and Zdarsky's run. We're very lucky as Batman fans to have two ongoing books as solid as these have been.

I myself have some takes on Batman runs and writers that are definitely not in line with the majority. I neglected to remind myself of that and certainly got more heated than was necessary in that regard. It's hard to see someone rail against something you feel so strongly for but that is the entire point of this site. To see differing opinions and hopefully generate discussion. While I don't agree with your rating on that, I respect your opinions as your own and am very glad you like this one.

Oh ya buddy no worries, we are just two massive Batman nerds. Who can agree this run kicks ass, while simultaneously being on compete opposite ends of the riddler special lol. I

..... the fact it's a homage to the killing joke is in the name. It's been set up as the riddlers killing joke. We where told this since the book was announced. And I was really excited for this book. But if you need to try and say the killing joke was all riddlers idea, and beneath him and that he just gave the idea to joker. Is dumb. And your last part about Batman giving his city mercy is terrible. The city has been under way worse threats and Batman never had to kill anyone.

You clearly didn't read any of my review aside from the last paragraph. Which makes me call into question the idea you even actually attempted to read this issue being 60+ whopping pages. Like the last issue you and I had an argument about, your tastes in comics are like your reading comprehension. Nonexistent. Watch Dead Poet's Society, read the actual review and the book then come back. Read real literature to understand what good writing is.

Also, like Toonstrack said in their response to their own review, much like The Killing Joke, there is nothing here that outright states that Batman killed the Riddler. I said he showed the city mercy. His self-proclaimed weakness. It doesn't mean he did what you thought. It's supposed to be thought provoking and incite discussion. You just went with your gut reaction and called King a hack. You're just flat out wrong.

A villain telling a likely lie to get under a hero's skin? Surely this has never occurred in any media work!

Considering he didn't lie at any other time in this issue. Why would that have been the only lie? He made good on every other threat .... why would he lie about that one?

Because his entire goal in that scene was to torment Jim Gordon. Please, for the love of God, develop some media literacy.

tHiS bOoK iS bAd BeCaUsE i DoN't UnDeRsTaNd BeTa MaLe ToM kInG tRyInG tO cUcK aLaN mOoRe. Meanwhile, has only read The Killing Joke and The Watchmen and has no idea what they are actually about.

Best review I've read on here in a very long time. I get that people are angry with King because of his run as the main Batman writer. He isn't anymore, let the hate go. I just read his Vision comic again. Utterly magnificent.

Thank you so much. I am glad some people have actually taken the time to read it and I really hope they enjoyed the issue as much as I did. I'm definitely trying to read more of King's work because of the bias I have. This has certainly helped erase a significant chunk of it.

Are you talking about that one Darkseid War Green Lantern comic he wrote

My brother in Christ, Court of Owls wasn't even that good.

It's also made infinitely worse afterwards as DC has gone on and bastardized what the Court was.

Look you can say what you want but the court of owls is a 9-9.5/10 Batman story. And one of the best stories dc put out since 2000. And people need to stop just rating books, based on the characters sexuality. There is no chance this book deserves a 9.8/10 score lol. It's no long Halloween, it's no the dark knight rises, it's not born again, and it wasn't any other classic that will be remembered forever. It will be forgotten about and replaced by next years pride anthology.

@daredevil....... maybe read the whole story since that character was an awesomely done new villian. Skipping to the last issue of a story and then not caring about who the new villian is. Is fucking stupidity. What are you 12?

The Court of Owls was my favorite Batman book. Before I grew up and read better books. And DC didn't mercilessly push it further than it was meant to. Books like this are for those in the LGBTQ+ community who don't feel heard or represented nearly enough and to say that they can't rate this a 10/10 just because it won't have lasting impact the same way those other stories have is sad. Who are you to say their enjoyment of the book is wrong?

This book is for everyone but if you don't care about Pride, why did you read it? Or... did you not even read it and just mark it as read so you can put in your shitty two cents?

"Skipping to the last issue of a story and then not caring about who the new villian is. Is fucking stupidity. What are you 12?" Are YOU 12? Letting your big boy feelings out. He died after that issue and became obsolete and forgotten. Lincoln March was horrendously under baked. Cool (although unoriginal) idea, poor execution. Unceremoniously killed off because he served no purpose outside of that story.

No one, absolutely no one, including the most die-hard fans of Scott Snyder's Batman, thinks that Lincoln March is anywhere in the stratosphere of a well-written villain. Everyone agrees that the Court of Owls story went downhill once March re-entered the picture. That "maybe I'm Bruce's long lost brother" shit was trite when Bane did it.

@hwx Lincoln March ..... was in Batman eternal after that bud. Maybe you need to read more Batman comics 🤷‍♂️ And also let's not act line dc does not have a bunch of lgbtq characters. Like to be honest every superhero's kid is lgbtq or atleast one of them is. Let's stop acting like lgbtq don't have representation in the industry it's not 1976.

And no people rating a book perfect, simply because people are gay in it is dumb as shit, and I'll read it tomorrow when I get the rest of my dc pile. I will read this just so I can make fun of how dumb half the stories are. I'm sure there will be 2 great stories 2 mediocre stories and 2 aweful stories like every anthology book ever 🤷‍♂️

Better Batman stories since the court of owls ........ Nothing Tom king did. Nothing tynion did Williamson only got 1 arc And now we get zdarsky. But in the Batman title I would say the court of owls is the best Batman book since the new 52 started. And Lincoln March was a fun villian, who was literally behind everything that goes down in Batman eternal. But please tell me more about how he was never seen again after the city of owls part 2.

I said AFTER that issue he died. Clearly your reading comprehension isn't very strong. Hence why you think Court of Owls is god's gift to Batman. It's not about whether or not there are LGBTQ+ heroes or not. It's whether they get regular recognition and aren't constantly bashed by homophobes and bigots. No one said anything about better Batman stories since Court of Owls. You really don't retain much do you? Makes sense thinking Lincoln March was a well written villain.

if a person feels like a book is 10 out of 10, it's 10 of 10 for him. Maybe he found something, in it, that you could't. What's the biggie? it's his score not yours.

@criminology because I'm tired of bullshit scores and people being award a 10/10 just because book has diversity in it. They are fake ratings, for an anthology book to be a 10/10. That means the story and art in every single story within that anthology was a 10/10. And we all know it wasn't. A 10/10 rating should be reserved for literally the best comics of all time. Like out of the thousands of comics I own. Maybe 15-25 deserve a 10/10. It's extremely tough to be a perfect book.

@hex yes when you imply " after the issue he does " that kinda makes it seem like you didn't read Batman eternal. Since you said he dies after this issue. Not fights Batman again in Batman forever. And yes the court of owls was gods gift to Batman fans. New lasting villains and a great story that hasn't been topped by the next theee writers on the title. A lot of people would call that a classic dipshit. 🤷‍♂️

Batman eternal not forever.

I agree with Criminology. I loved the Kevin Conroy story, but the rest of the book was kinda meh for me; I'm not really into romance stories. I gave it a 9 because the Conroy story makes the book worth $10. (Also, I'm guessing some readers will give it a 1 because they're homophobes.)

Don't take it so personal, It's not in your control and should not really affect you. People use different systems of rating. For example, i'm prone to rate something 10 out of 10, if it's accomplishes everything, it sets up to do. Or maybe i just enjoyed it just that much. Maybe that particular book means something to those people, who rated it 10 out of 10. People have different priorities, like certain books for different reasons, subscribe to different ideas about art etc.

Especially when those 10 out of 10 review, do not have any text with them, i think it's really futile to think anything of them. Whatever you are guessing, it could be wrong. So i don't see a reason to think anything of them, especially them being fake. This site is to express your opinions and feeling on the book and maybe why you don't think it deserves a high rating, not going after the people, who don't share your feelings. IMO at least

Just because something is "classic" doesn't mean it's great. Many of the mini series that have come out since the N52 alone have been better stories than Court of Owls. But none of that has to do with the issue at hand. Read the book before you decide to start a flame war because you are upset that DC released another Pride book. I'm sure for some people, this book means a lot to them. Read the issue, think about it and what is it supposed to represent to those whom it is written about.

Agreed, there is tons of "classic" stuff, i disliked. I think with reviews honesty to your thoughts and feelings is one of the most important things, not necessary how admirable and innovative the work is.

Honestly, who in their right mind would read Batman Eternal?

That Kevin Conroy story is an absolute 10/10.

Very odd to compare an anthology issue to a storyline. They aren't usually comparable, wouldn't you agree? And people rate them differently, because are different? Because they use logic in those review I would say. And my guy, Court of Owls is a great point to start reading Batman. It's not the best Batman storyline released in the past decade or so, but I would say it's the best starting point. But then again, that's just my opinion. As these reviews usually are, eh?

@hex I've read every single Batman story since court of owls, and most of the greats that came before it. Other then the bigby one, and no I disagree with that. And look, the only point I was really trying to make. Was that if people rate books 10/10 that are not 10/10 then a 10/10 becomes a worthless number that doesn't mean anything. And no offence but I can guarantee dc pride is not a perfect comic book. And I hate bullshit reviews without reason 🤷‍♂️

Also amazing whatever the fuck your name is, Batman eternal was better overall then Tom kings Batman run, and the new 52 detective comics run, and has a fairly well done twist at the end 🤷‍♂️ I've read a lot worse from Tom king and Mariko Tamaki since.

My guy, why doesn't that apply to 1/10 reviews too? With that logic, those are as much of bullshit reviews as 10/10? And I don't think people think 10/10 means perfect. For me for example means "it does everything it's supposed to do and it does it almost perfectly".

@afre it does buddy. People who review bomb a 1.0/10 are just as bad, unless they give a an good reason why the comic isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Most comics are in 4/10-8/10 range. And doing everything your supposed to and doing it almost perfect is a 8.5/10 to me. You already stated it's not perfect. There is nothing wrong with a 8.5/10 rating that's fucking amazing. And that's a book I'll buy a hardcover of for the shelf!

So yes we need to get rid of the 1.0/10 reviews with no text, and we need to get rid of the 10/10 rating without an explanation into why this is a perfect comic book. Because 10/10 doesn't mean really good. It means perfection. And should not be given out a lot. Let alone multiple times a week by some reviewers just trying to get there name on the back cover of a graphic novel.

My boy, Batman Eternal had about six issues of story stretched into a 52-issue along with a "twist" that everyone predicted two issues in.

I think the weirdness of this whole thread is that you chose to put your foot down on these 1/10 and 10/10 ratings over a Pride special rather than the multitude of other series where people do this same thing.

@ the brave and bold And it's still better then the other series I've listed, and better then anything tom kind write after I am bane.

@amazing And this was jsut the most egregious of the week and it was the straw that broke the camels back. About bullshit fake 10/10 reviews. 🤷‍♂️

My guy, I don't think anyone is saying King's run was better than Eternal. They are just saying it wasn't that good (and it really wasn't, like why did Croc beat Bane and speak Spanish suddenly???) And I think we can all agree that White Knight is the peak Batman. And my guy, maybe next time if you want to ask people to add context to their reviews and not give plain 10/10 or 1/10, maybe don't start with complaining about just the 10s in DC's Pride Anthology? And maybe word it better?

Peak Batman is Moon Knight.

The new show was such a disappointment and I really hoped it would be like Lemire's run. Now it's Jeds job to carry Moon Knight on his back since Disney couldn't be bothered to do so.

Agree with Afre on Moon Knight show

I liked the new show. For a character that gets consistently revamped every run or so, it's actually baffling to me how many Moon Knight fans couldn't stand something different. We all like the Lemire run. And hot take: That run is not a beginner's run. That story should not be someone's first Moon Knight story. And it sure as shit shouldn't have been the show's story.

I didn't dislike it because it was different. I just hoped it would've taken more risks. It had a solid start, very boring second and third episode, mediocre fourth one with an interesting ending, amazing fifth one and just boring finale. Maybe I just hoped it would be more like Daredevil in a way. It had great additions and changes too and Layla was one of them, but mostly it was just meh for me.

I think Ellis's run is the perfect starting point, but how can that be adapted

Moon knight was fun untill it skipped over the best part of the fight scenes in the last episode.

My man, I hope your charging Tom King rent to live in your head so much

I think everyone in this comment section, needs to go read the Batman news review of this comic...... from a gay man, who's honestly rating each story in this book. It proved everything I said 100% true lol 🤣🤣🤣

True, gays are never wrong. That's why you guys need to read my objectively correct review from a bisexual, coming soon.

Well, if there's any trustworthy reviewer out there, it's certainly Batman News, the site that produced inane fanboy rants over Batman eating unhealthy burgers.

I'm sorry to tell you this my man, but if the guy from Batman News didn't like this, it doesn't make the Court of Owls peak Batman or best written Batman story in the last decade.

Afre technically it's no longer from the past decade, and what is to you? What is the best Batman story since 2012? Let's hear it? Also I meant the over rating of this book just because it says pride on the cover.

Batman: Imposter, Batman: The Knight, some of Kings' stories (like War of Riddles and Jokes and I am Bane), Endgame and The Button are better stories than Court of Owls. Three Jokers up there too. Best story that is peak Batman? Easily White Knight and it's sequels.

(And in my defense, you did say "It proved everything I said 100% true" and that included praising Court of Owls and saying it's best Batman. So you can't really fault me for correcting :)

@Afre All of those are really fun. I loved the first 3 arcs of King's run but jumped off after that. Never read Jokes and Riddles.

Don't read it, it's not as funny or clever as the title suggests.

I prefer Zero years over Court of Owls. Supes and bats arc was my fave out of King's run

Ya Tom kings two issue double date with Clark and Lois was probably the best two issues of his run. Which should prove why I make fun of his run the way I do.... And Batman imposter is not better then court of owls, the white knight I might give you on part but not better and the sequel while gorgeous isn't as good as 1, endgame not better then court three jokers was beautiful but a better story... no just no.

I thought Imposter was incredibly middling and was disappointed in hindsight to realize it really was similar to the movie's tone.

Bigot

You didn't like the Kevin Conroy story?

Yet another example of the word "cringe" being used in place of a cogent thought.

This review is cringe.

Look man I rip on the 10/10 reviews for being horseshit. But you gotta let the lgbtq people have their book too. Just don't read it, I just don't wanna see this only be rated 9/10-10/10 and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot or a homophobe etc. etc. But this book was definitely not a 1/10 lol

Crying about "corporate" in a week with "movie synergy before it got delayed" Flashpoint Beyond and "the biggest mega event of the year" Dark Crisis is some real galaxy brain energy

@Fizgoog Since you are going there, statistically speaking, straight white males are SIGNIFICANTLY higher among pedophile numbers than any non-straight person of any other gender or ethnicity. Historically speaking. And that's not conjecture. It's in many texts throughout history.

@Fizgoog. You're just a homophobe and a bigot and something should certainly be done about you on this platform and any others like you that participate in the kind of rhetoric that you all spew.

Promoting conspiracy that's led to a historic government crackdown on a group of people, with the intent to erase their identity, subvert their free will and take away their rights is cringe.

Sounds like the exact thing many countries across the world fought against in the 40s. Actions and events that inspired comic writers and artists to create the very heroes we all read. In fact I remember a young Jewish man who created a teenage web-slinger, a blind Catholic boxer, an African king, and group of mutants. All of whom come from different walks of life and have every right to live as those they are persecuted by.

Looks like the Matt Gaetz account got banned

The guy who gave DC's summer event comic a 9.0 says this book about gay superheroes is corporate cringe.

To be fair, ACAB. Also, when you look at the Native American living conditions on reservations, it's not hard to know who to point the finger at.

1) How does someone read so much X-Men and still find time in their lives to get outraged at every little political element? 2) This reviewer spams links to his blog quite often. I guess he's desperate to get recognized as a "professional" reviewer. Given the standards for the "professional" reviews on this site, that's pretty sad.

Sounds like this sad puppy from the Bounding Into Diversity In Comics crew has a lot of white tears but not so much historical knowledge. I bet you used Bill the Butcher as a profile pic at one point in your life hahaha

What part of my review came off as me being outraged? Just because you don't agree with what I said doesn't mean I'm outraged lol

Please calm down, sir. You're letting emotions override rational thought.

Can I join your blog?

What the fuck are you talking about?

@Gaymisrepresented Got any good 4K projectors on sale? edit: lol he got banned