Batman: Urban Legends #6

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  AGJ

  Aug 10, 2021

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  TheFightingBull

  Aug 10, 2021

  "This isn't--This isn't you! God knows most days I wish it was, but..It's NOT. If you're going to come down for mount judgment to my level for one... He's not the guy to do it for." Jason Todd Great phrase a mature Jason, also as the development as a detective and strategist. I just hope they are not going to turn him into a Dick now Jason lays down his weapons, Jason needs to remain the indomitable, this does not mean that he goes and murders, but we all need an antihero and Jason is perfect and balanced to do it. Great moments are presented in this installment, the way they are affected by the drug and how to overcome it, is so different and at the same time so similar. I think the difference is because Jason's moments of happi ness have been so few and conditioned. Bruce knew love with his parents and children. While Jason is incredulous towards happiness and how not to be so with so much betrayal and rejection (that hurts), he accepts Bruce, but his bitterness becomes so much that it destroys him inside to the point of almost murder. more

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  redhood

  Aug 10, 2021

  That was sad they both want the same thing, a whole family, I think that in Bruce's hallucination he looked at his much younger children including Kate, he wishes he had chosen his son instead of the Joker, in his fantasy he wanted to be the one to kill the Joker and not Jason. Maybe before everything went wrong, and they want that part so much that Bruce tells him that life is too short for them to continue like this, separated, however he seems to be determined that the relationship is a disappointment, we separate, is what we make. auch! But the ending is happy, he returns the bat that he once ripped from him and Jason has a great capacity to forgive even if he does not seem like it, Maybe old, maybe.

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  Κυανό

  Aug 10, 2021

  A great conclusion, this series would definitely have matched the phenomenon that Geoff Johns achieved in the three Jokers if he had only focused on the story of Hood. I did not like the others.

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  PalancasLocas

  Aug 10, 2021

  I would have liked a little more about the history of Hood, its closure felt a bit rushed, however it shows it with great growth at the beginning of the character, leaving aside that Jason is a strategist, however he made him a better detective than Batman in this series. Finally with this number I conclude the purchase of this series, what is coming is not of interest to me in the following numbers. I don't want to read more of a bisexual Tim out of nowhere or the other characters at such a high price. RH 9.5 Canary 7.5 Drake 3

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  heroes dont do that

  Aug 10, 2021

  The only strong story here is that of Red Hood, a good end, I would have liked more of this, that Bruce was honest and Jason lowered his barriers, but impossible to take the step for them. Jason was taken in this finale in a great way, he looks just amazing in the Batsuit without a cape, Hood not only took the story, he took the whole book, the only good thing if you want to buy this book. Blood for Blood totally insignificant. Sum of our parts, nefarious art does not make the comic good. I hate that they use an incredible character like Tim Drake in that way all to see their left politics. Only. Another simplistic story, the only nice thing was to see Barbara in her Batgirl outfit and not as Oracle. Difficult for a single story to hav e to endure so much mediocrity from the others, if it scored everything the score would be very low. And the Red Hood story is not worth it, if this series could have had decent sales, possibly this will turn to be almost unsaleable, not at this price. more

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  Norholr

  Aug 13, 2021

  rh 10 Tim -5

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  Stormwrath

  Aug 10, 2021

  Batman/Red Hood - 10/10, fantastic story and finally they are developing Red Hood Tim Drake - 5/10, the story finished in a bad way, terrible status quo change, okay art and boring overall Black Canary - 9,5/10. I'm really happy with what Joshua Williamson is doing with the Al'Ghuls and Deathstroke and related characters, great read.

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  sebastianorellana95

  Aug 10, 2021

  Amazing outcome of Red Hood's story, looking forward to see more of him in Task Force Z and Titans. Also great story of Black Canary. Besides Deathstroke comic, I hope there will be a new Green Arrow and Black Canary ongoing series.

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  LeiaFavaz

  Aug 11, 2021

  I appreciate that it was Tim who applied their silly left tendency and not Jason, look that DC has a certain hatred for this character, at least they left the alpha male of the batkids alone. Regarding the closing of the story between Batman and Red Hood, there is a logic, Jason is not giving up killing when will be necessary, but he's giving up on weapons, although this is a bit silly here the rubber bullets are less harmful than the stupid crowbar or a sword, Buuut Jason bears the blame for snatching a bad father from Tyler, even if you ask me the boy is much better off without that horrible man. Bruce is an emotionally disabled person, so what he does is give a gift and an invitation, something logical for those who shy away from having a real dialogue and apologize with a gift. Although I didn't like much of how an immature Jason was portrayed, shedding his growth over the many of his previous comics, but as a separate story, it's pretty good. However I hope to see Jason again be ruthless with criminals, because that is his cello the perfect balance between the hero who does not have the courage to do what he should and the villain who murders indiscriminately, that is what a antihero and Jason Todd is DC's best antihero. more

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  Tempra16v2.0Turbo

  Aug 10, 2021

  A historia do Capuz é realmente boa(um milagre para o personagem), a do Tim me deixou dividido. O resto foi OK.

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  Becea - Aug 10, 2021

  Eu concordo com você, embora esperasse algo mais emocionante do final de Zdarky. Mas sobre Tim, ele é horrível.

  

  Tempra16v2.0Turbo - Aug 10, 2021

  Eu esperava que o Jason se entregasse para a policia no fim, mas no fim foi novamente passado o pano que ele matou.

  

  Becea - Aug 27, 2021

  ???? Isso não faz sentido, Zdarsky fez isso com o Demolidor, mas aqui está outra coisa.

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  Dali

  Aug 10, 2021

  Genial podemos escribir en nuestro idioma nativo? Genial. La Capucha fue bueno, por desgracia si como comentan es canon, me temo chip que os habéis quedado muy por debajo de la información, todos esperábamos que se tocara el tema de la paliza injusta, pero no fue así. Sea o no sea se siente que falto algo al final, lo que me lleva a la pregunta de la compañera que hace. Por que no puede Bruce ser afectivo con Jason? dios el niño ha sufrido mucho, tiene una gran necesidad de la familia y Bruce es cruel al respecto sobre todo con Jay. Canary no fue tan mal, me gusto. Que hostias con lo de Drake? joder esto no me lo trago, aparte una historia super aburridisima. RH 8.5 Canary 7.5 Drake 1.5 The Hood was good, unfortunately if, a s a person on the forum comments, this is canon, I'm afraid chip that you have stayed far below the information, we all hoped that the issue of the unfair beating would be raised, but it was not. Whether or not it is, it feels like I am missing something at the end, which leads me to the question of the partner who does. Why can't Bruce be affectionate with Jason? God the boy has suffered a lot, he has a great need for the family and Bruce is cruel about it especially with Jay. Canary was not so bad, I liked it. What the hell about Drake? Damn this I do not buy it, apart from a super boring story. RH 8.5 Canary 7.5 Drake 1.5 more

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  WhistleBlower

  Aug 10, 2021

  lol the Twitter incels are ass-blasted over a comic they didn't even read Edit: Even funnier, the folks with the parasocial relationship with Jason Todd are once again slandering the best writer he's ever had.

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  Kaseladen - Aug 10, 2021

  Don't you have to go be stupid somewhere else?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  @Kaseladen: Ignore him, he always does this, morons like him are better off ignored, it's killing them that no one gives them the attention they crave, believe me.

  

  Toonstrack - Aug 10, 2021

  @merlyn the irony.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  The irony being that you always come to comment on my reviews even if I don't really care about what you have to say? Yeah, that's ironic, you're right.

  

  Toonstrack - Aug 10, 2021

  Yea thats exactly what I'm saying XD.

  

  WhistleBlower - Aug 10, 2021

  @Toonstrack: Merlyn is predictable as always. He's really heated that I'm making fun of his favorite pedophile.

  

  SamComics - Aug 10, 2021

  @Kaseladen Impossible, who is an idiot is an idiot at all times, and everywhere, and this guy and Saltyredhoodfans are idiots even when he sleeps. Ignore them.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  This guy gets it.

  

  M.Grayson - Aug 10, 2021

  Nah, Chip Zdarsky is definitely not the best writer Red Hood has ever had, he didn't give a solid story was good but not the best, I'm not denying Zdarsky's ability but Lost Days, Under the Hood were better stories than this one.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  @M. Grayson: You're right. Also, Lobdell's run was better than Zdarsky's Red Hood. Now watch these guys having a meltdown over mentioning Lobdell. :))

  

  WhistleBlower - Aug 11, 2021

  Damn, Merlyn really has a parasocial relationship with sex predators, huh?

  

  LeiaFavaz - Aug 11, 2021

  @Merlyn Leaving aside Lobdell's perversions and my wishes that he receive a just punishment for his wickedness. Lobdell had great ideas, but sometimes his writing was lazy. Zdarsky did a good job as a writer, but his predilection was more towards Batman, No Zdarsky hasn't been the best thing that has happened to Red Hood, nor the worst, Judd Winick made two great classics, Geoff Johns despite some ramblings he also did very well. Like do Zdarsky

  

  LeiaFavaz - Aug 11, 2021

  Lobdell gave Red Hood incredible things, All-Cast, resurrecting Willis was a good idea, but was not well managed(Taylor copied that idea with Nightwing and his half sister) Solitary, the Untitled were good characters, however they could have a better development.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  @LeiaFavaz: I agree with your assessment about Lobdell, I didn't say he's Alan Moore or something, just that he got Jason and he took him in a good direction. Very good analysis, I mostly agree with it.

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  Fracadactyl

  Aug 11, 2021

  I kind of like how the Red Hood storyline goes. The older New 52 Red Hood costume is a symbol of trust between Batman and Jason, even though I had my own hopes on where Jason could go; but then again DC wants to keep him as Red Hood for the Titans TV show and the Gotham Knights video game. As for those joy fantasies between Batman and Jason, it says a lot. Batman and Jason really just want to be done with the Joker. And while Batman should never go down actually ending that clown, he can't help but be sick of him. Hence why these fantasies exist, to show that Batman and Jason are more connected than they like to think. But it also raises questions about when some of Red Hood's other appearances take place, because there are times when he's in his outlaw getup and his New 52 gear. I don't know much about WildCATs but it's a little surprising to see one of them appear with Wonder Woman in a Batman title, it's like this is just a cheap means of advertising. Unlike Black Canary because as part of the Birds of Prey, she and Barbara fit in nicely. Especially since Barbara makes the decision to stay being Batgirl, because she and Oracle can coexist. Batgirl Oracle in a manner similar to Batgirls Spoiler and Orphan. As for Tim coming out as bi... whatever. I was kind of expecting him to find a role outside of being Robin, but okay... maybe he can do after this rediscovery. more

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  UxasIs

  Aug 13, 2021

  Red Hood - 8.5/10 Zealot - 9.5/10 Tim Drake - 6.5/10 Black Canary - 8/10

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  Psycamorean

  Aug 16, 2021

  So, the final part of the Cheer story by Chip Zdarsky is very, very well done. I really liked the characterization here. I really liked the progression as well. I think this is how you bring Jason down from his Under the Red Hood level of antagonism without making it stupid, like what Scott Lobdell did for what seemed like 35 years. And I'm sure no one took this complaint seriously, but no, Jason putting down his guns is not a political statement by Zdarsky or DC. It's called symbolism, and it's symbolizing his lessening antagonism towards Bruce. I swear, there is plenty of politics to find in fiction, but idiots always hone on to the paranoid non-existent kind because they can't actually process what they're seeing/reading/listening to. The Zealot story was a step down from Matthew Rosenberg's Grifter story, but it wasn't bad. This definitely felt more like I was reading a character from the 90s with little to no personality. I hope if Rosenberg is headed towards a WildCATs series that he gives the other characters life like he gave Grifter some. The Sum of Our Parts finale by Meghan Fitzmartin is fine. I don't find it very engaging, but I don't hate it. That would be all I have to say about this story if not for the expected and tiring backlash this story received because people are too insecure with themselves to allow a fictional character to change in a way that doesn't fundamentally matter to the core of character. Am I happy or excited that Tim is bisexual? No, I don't really care. However, I do think other people are. And I do think more representation for a group of people that is consistently erased in media because their sexuality is easily obfuscated is ultimately a positive thing. I would say I am biased because I'm a member of that group, but no, I think most everyone should understand why this is a good thing. People always shield themselves behind this idea that it's changing the character unnaturally, but the beauty of bisexuality is that it changes nothing about a character's prior sexual and romantic history. So, while the claim that one just cares about the character being changed is always illegitimate, this specific time, it is even more illegitimate. I have more respect for people who aren't cowards and stand by their homophobia over the types that recognize it makes them look like shit, and try to hide it instead. That is on a 9/11 tier of a cowardly act. You're all garbage people who don't deserve the time of day, but at least some of you embrace being scum. The Deathstroke Inc prelude by Joshua Williamson is fine. It reminds me a lot of his Flash run, and that worries me immensely. Why is this in a Batman book though? Everything else is at least partly related to Batman, and then there's this. I guess it so people buy that Deathstroke comic, huh? more

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  SenpaifenixJäger

  Aug 10, 2021

  Not bad, removing a lot of things that don't fit, like Bruce's happiness is killing the Joker, I think Batman's happiness would actually include his living parents. It was strange to see Bruce's allergy to happiness to the point where he wanted to murder Cheer. That was strange. But I definitely think this entire book is completely out of canon. Jason and Tyler's relationship is the best, I totally love them, good ending here. The most disappointing thing about this book was seeing a bi Tim without some kind of support, he magically turned bi, no wonder that in the DC universe they warned, what a mediocre idea. What's Next? Bruce and Dick are having an affair? If I rate this entire book I would give it maybe 5.5 to 6, no more. Hood's sto ry I'm between a 7 to 8. more

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  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 10, 2021

  Je suis d'accord avec toi, s'ils le prennent comme canon est une histoire très médiocre par manque d'information, pas par l'écriture qui était bonne. Mais c'est DC n'attendez pas beaucoup d'eux actuellement médiocrité est leur drapeau.

  

  Dali - Aug 10, 2021

  No mola la fantasia del Bruce, matar al Joker y ver feliz a Jason cuando el tío ni siquiera puede abrazarlo, pero eso es una mierda por completo. Un punto fue ver a Jason haciéndola bien como detective y organizando al clan para salvar a Bruce. Esperaba algo mejor al final pero esta bien, Despues de Judd ha sido la mejor narrativa, aunque prefiero el crecimiento que le da Lobdell que es algo que a este señor Zdarsky le pasa por alto, para haber sido periodista le falta informarse eh!

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 10, 2021

  @Dalí igual puede ser en sus fantasias mas salvajes, pero siempre ha habido una constante de que Bruce quiere más que nada a sus padres vivo. Sin embargo se dice que el dolor mas grande es el de perder a un hijo, tal vez ahora entiendio lo que recupero.

  

  sebastianorellana95 - Aug 10, 2021

  No es fuera de canon, esto a pie a la continuación de la historia de Red Hood en Task Force Z.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  I don't think the idea was that Batman is allergic to happiness, it was more like Cheer gave him a false taste of a happy life with his Bat-family and it was ripped from him. That has to hurt. But I agree that Batman's happy life would have included his family and I'm also a bit sketchy about the Joker thing.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  But I guess the idea was that even though Jason always blamed Bruce for not killing the clown, Zdarsky wanted to show us that deep down Bruce wanted to do it but he just can't let himself fall that way. I also didn't like the dropping the guns thing. And sebastiano is right, unfortunately DC wants this and the disgusting Tim thing to be canon. I really don't get why they're trying so hard to annoy the fans.

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 12, 2021

  @Merlyn if you are right as much as allergy no, I think it was the approach of father and son relationship that Zdarsky commented in an interview, this part is a welcome change, unconvincing with respect to the canon, but as always they wipe their butt with the canon.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 12, 2021

  @Did you watch any of the Titans episodes that were released today? What do you think about their portrayal of Jason?

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 13, 2021

  Yes I saw it, the series has never really made me good, I only saw it when Jay came out, and let me tell you that the first chapter of season 3 felt so empty

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 13, 2021

  Many things are wrong with Jason, one has only taken the negative of the character, and the use of drugs! go! after your mother died of drugs? the way he was judging Jason was awful. Currant's performance has always struck me as exaggerated.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  For a kid, Curran Walters is pretty good. But the writers definitely made Jason A LOT worse than in the comics. And they rushed the Red Hood story. I kinda liked the first season and the first half of the second but kept hoping it would get better. Instead it got worse and worse.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  Also, just saw the solicits for the next months. They replaced Red Hood's guns with knives and swords. So yeah, Zdarsky's decision is in-continuity.

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 14, 2021

  DC seems to be doing baby comics before long until Slade is going to be a Chuck Norris guy, like he can't kill someone with a sword or knife. But if they know how to design fights it might not be so bad. Now if Jason kills someone, then where was the point. You heard about the annual Nightwing. Fuck Taylor now he's going to use Jason to attract audiences to Nightwing

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 14, 2021

  Currant I think he does not do so bad, but as you say the writers urged him to transform it into Red Hood, if it weren't for those who voted that he should not die then they killed Donna.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 14, 2021

  I don't know what's up with the annual from Taylor. I mean, I'm not happy about it since I don't like Taylor but I haven't read the solicits for it. What, he makes Jason kill again?

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 16, 2021

  I don't think they will at the moment, but they are going to take out some garbage to put Jason aside like they usually do, you know the painting, the family gatherings etc. Eventually in a few years they will return to the same thing, Jason will kill someone.

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  M.Grayson

  Aug 10, 2021

  Good ending to Zdarsky's story, but it feels like something is out of place. The problem with the other stories as there is no sequel make me lose interest in them.

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  Aug 13, 2021

  Pretty solid selection of stories. The Red Hood ending didn't quite work for me but I do think there's a lot of solid new story potential there. The Tim story was great for how short it was. Really solid art and the internal monologue felt totally appropriate for the character. This one was my favorite of the group. The Dinah story was probably my 2nd favorite. I've been a sucker for Hairsine's art since I read Divinity so that was a real highlight. The incels upset over this one are cracking me up and they're all over this board with their imponent rage as well. Ignore them.

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  daspidaboy

  Aug 10, 2021

  I would usually rate this higher but guess what? They changed tim drake sexuality. I am all fine for diversity but at least introduce new characters that happen to be LGBT. It happened to Alan Scott, it happened to star lord and iceman, and it happened to Tim drake. I have no doubt this will be divisive right now. On one hand, I'm glad that there's at least a solid reason why Tim Drake's sexuality is changed because of the effects of Infinite Frontier. But on the other hand, I think it will be far more rewarding to actually introduce a new LGBTQ character and make them cool and interesting. I want more characters from Steven universe for example, they're interesting characters that happen to be LGBTQ.

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  maelstron - Aug 10, 2021

  Star lord isn't bisexual, he wasn't on the pride book listing Al gays of Marvel universe. Writes have to stop writing bad ganfic

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  RedRonin

  Aug 10, 2021

  As always Bruce doesn't have the guts to apologize for the shit he's put Jason through. It was weird see Bruce fantasized about killing the Joker and why the hell they draw Jason shorter, damn he's only two inches shorter (6.0) than Bruce (6.2) and Dick is only 5.10. I was hoping that Zdarky would really see the value of doing something new, it surprises me sometimes Williamson did better in that field with Bruce calling Jason the son or Lobdell making Bruce hug Jason. But okay, I'll give it to him just because it seems like he has recognized a bit of Jason's abilities where he fell too short. It was a good story with some things that did not fit but interesting. Canary amused me reading it, but where did they get Tim Drake? of any AO3 fanfic with a Tim Drake / Original Character? That was disastrous and boring as it was. Well I done with this series. more

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  Jaybird

  Aug 12, 2021

  Difficult to qualify this completely, Red Hood ended in a pleasant way, giving the handling of other weapons sounds great to me, I know that Proton will return to lethal weaponry and in a few years he will possibly be separated from the family again, because DC is little creative and often spinning their stories with the promise of something new. Tim's thing was really disgusting, I don't think I want to read more about this character, not because of the gay thing, if not the bad development, if they wanted to do this well they would take things early and not give us a boring and silly story. The other backup stories are very forgettable.

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  Merlyn

  Aug 10, 2021

  So as much as I wanted to like this, it ended on such a sour note. The Jason story had a lot of potential and while some things in it worked, especially when it comes to the relation between Jason and Bruce, some really, really didn't. The two biggest faults being that this whole comic revolved around Red Hood and Batman, 5 issues of 6 it was just the two of them assisted by Oracle from her chair. I really didn't think including the Bat-family was necessary at this point. And the second one is even worse. Jason dropping his guns isn't necessary at all and it was probably made because of Zdarsky and DC's political views regarding guns. The biggest differences between Jason and Batman were that he killed and used guns. It's the whole reason f or why they're antagonistic, he is the only member of the family that doesn't bend his views for Bruce's ideology. I get that Zdarsky is saying that he put the guns away supposedly because he killed the kid's father but, you know, there are other ways of killing people and guns or no guns really doesn't make any difference in that regard. The real reason I think this happened is because DC has shied away from Red Hood's guns, they even cut them off from the cover of RHATO #50 and nowadays they always replace the guns with swords on covers. And Zdarsky agrees with this. Same thing at Marvel with Punisher, he's been sidelined for some time now because of the police controversy. So a huge piece of the character is ripped away for political motivations. Yeah, I don't like that, I don't like it one bit. Barrows' art was great and the story overall was good too but, as was always the case along this run, some bits of Zdarsky's Red Hood just don't fit. At least he got his old suit back, that's a good thing. Regarding the rest of the stories, Rosenberg's was pretty mediocre but the Tim Drake one is downright shameless. A shameless self-insert for the Tim Drake character, a character that never in 30 years has shown any sign of attraction to males but because it's 2021 and progressives are hell-bent on pushing their ideology into every little thing and corner of our lives, they completely change a character and now we're supposed to pretend this was always the case. No, it wasn't, it still isn't and DC should completely ignore this piece of fanfic. Tim Drake is straight. The fourth one was pretty uninteresting too and I loled at Williamson's wokeness: "my hope is to take the evilest force in the world and make it work for us... MONEY". Yeah, dude, there's literally nothing worse than money on this world, so disgusting and vile, totally. :)) Overall, this issue deserves less than 5.5 but because the Red Hood story was decent overall, I'm a little lenient towards it. more

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  fearUhavemeisenough - Aug 10, 2021

  I hate they put Jason as an obedient pet, this is not Jason. And why lay down his arms and use the bat symbol again.

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 10, 2021

  There are many things that have bothered me about Zdarsky since I started this comic, if it is an Elsword it is fine, but if they do it canon this is rubbish. Not even a little bit of Jason's growth was reported.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  Yeah, as much as people like to give Lobdell shit he did much better work on the character than the likes of Morrison or Zdarsky. Say what you want about the guy but he put him in the right direction and Zdarsky undid a lot of that. I'm afraid that because Tynion is leaving Batman (THANK GOD!), Zdarsky is one of the candidates for writing Batman. Based on what we've seen here, not sure I like the prospect of that.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  Tim Drake is my favourite Robin. I was there when he worked out Bruce is Batman and that gorgeous Breygogle art. I was there for his first solo series. He is the most alike to Bruce in both intellect and prosecution of the mission. He or Damian deserve the mantle of the bat when Bruce can no longer carry it. This isn't Tim Drake. This is a hollow shell for an activist writer to use for nothing more than propaganda. There was no reason at all to to do this to Tim Drake. No credible reason.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  If this is canon then I'm dumping DC until it dumps this idiocy.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  But on a positive note Tynion is leaving Batman after 117. Given DCs current penchant for shooting itself in the face my bet is they'll do a Tomasi with a full in writer till 2022 then give it to Ridley to finally get rid of Bruce. Or give it to Bendis? It's like asking the reader do you want ketchup or mustard with with your turd sandwich?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  Yeah, I'm afraid of Ridley or Tom Taylor myself as the next Batman writers. Bendis would be a pretty bad call, too. Honestly, DC deserves the bankruptcy that'll come to them. They disrespect all their beloved characters constantly.

  

  maelstron - Aug 10, 2021

  Tim Drake is doomed forever.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  I think you're right DC deserves to fail at this point. These kinds of unforced errors and almost callous disregard for beloved characters and their fans is not without consequence. Heck I ll hold my nose and settle for Taylor I'd he can stop this level of rot.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  Maybe theres something I'm missing with this apparent death wish of DCs?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  Tom Taylor would definitely not stop this level of rot, keep that guy as far away from Batman as possible. I don't know if you're familiar with his twitter but he's pretty insane with his politics and he never stops inserting them in his books. Also, I don't think he likes Batman if his Nightwing is any indication, he thinks Bruce is "privileged" and doesn't help people in his Bruce Wayne persona, which is completely false. No thank you to all of Taylor's crap.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  To be honest most of these guys are lefties it's just a matter of how much of their politics they want to throw into their books. It's pretty clear DC has a talent roster problem which again reflects their money woes.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 10, 2021

  Maybe it's time to scout Dark Horse or Dynamite for talent?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 10, 2021

  I think they may need to look outside the comic medium. Like they did with Ridley who wasn't into comics. The idea to reach out beyond regular comic writers was good, it was the writer himself that was the problem. Batman deserves better writers than what the industry has to offer at this moment.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 11, 2021

  But they can't bring in people from outside the industry. The lady who wrote this story. Has only written the robin eternal story from future state and the penguin back up in detective comics. She has no idea what's she's doing...... which is quite clear when she makes Tim bi for no reason, other then there are to many straight white males in the bar family lol

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  They brought in Ridley who wasn't writing comics at the time. Yeah, Meghan Fitzmartin is quite crazy indeed.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 11, 2021

  Merlyn: "Woman wrote comic I don't like, she must be crazy." That's EXACTLY the sexism and bigotry I've come to expect from you based on your "reviews".

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  Ok. Move on or I'll block you.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 11, 2021

  Loafy trophy ...... well in the 3rd comic she ever wrote. By the way who gets to start off their writing career at dc on batbooks? Like any idea of sexism and the patriarchy running things goes right out the window. When you realize a woman, who's never written comics, got to make robin bi sexual as literally the 3rd issue she's ever written in comics.......... it's almost as if she's a sjw with a crazy agenda and she has no good ideas on what to write.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 11, 2021

  Imagine being giving the keys to Gotham and being allowed to write Tim drake, and literally your first in cannon story is " Tim drake is bi " ....... you have no imamgination and you are a shit writer. That's what that story tells me. It's not even a well written story. But it did its job and got her named plastered across twitter and google for 2 days. While better stories went unnoticed because they didn't make someone gay , or black ( I am Batman looking at you and not selling in the top 50 )

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 11, 2021

  I know the usual defense is "hey a lot of people never show any sign of being this way then one day declare they are" but we have the benefit of actually knowing what Tim Drake thinks because there's slabs of his thoughts written already. Can anyone direct me to an issue where Tim has thought about being sexually attracted to other males. Still want to defend the womans writing?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  @Batmanaholic: She is a sjw with a crazy agenda. Please ignore that idiot. He really doesn't deserve the effort for such a lengthy answer. It's not the first time he comes to reply on my reviews and cry that I don't like what he does. If he does it one more time, he's not going to get the chance to do it again in the future.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 11, 2021

  Merlyn you're right. I just read an interview with this writer and she said this was the "only" story she could write for Tim Drake. She apparently sat on her apartment floor for full 2 minutes in bliss when editorial approved it. And guess her pushed to get it approved? Our buddy Tynion.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 11, 2021

  Tynion is leaving Batman in 6 issues. Hes leaving the Batcerse a complete mess where even Bruce Wayne is teetering on being thrown off his own book. Well done DC. Either fix this or you've lost this once loyal fan and from what I see..I'm not in the minority.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  It doesn't surprise one bit that Tynion was the one that approved. What's annoying is that he always deemed himself as someone who loved the Bat-family and who strived to respect those characters. To say that and then disrespect the character like this is just shameless on his part.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  And yeah, it's obvious this was a self-insert for the character, this is where we are, loony lefties are self-inserting themselves in comics and completely changing the characters we love to the point where they're antithetic to whom they were for all of their history. As a DC fan it just angers me that we're supposed to just accept this. I, for one, sure am not.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  The problem is that writers like Tynion or Fitzmartin lack the talent to make people read their stories. They just lack it. They won't be remembered for great storylines, nor will they be remembered for the characters they create. 10 years from now no one will remember Punchline, Clownhunter, Miracle Molly or Ghostmaker, they don't like them very much now. So they can't remain in history by their talent.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 11, 2021

  What they CAN do though, is to grab headlines now by changing the sexuality/race/sex of the characters and hope that the fans are tolerant enough to let it go and they will be remembered as the writers to "made X character gay", "made X character black" etc. That's all it is, they lack talent and so they make up for it by changing the characters until they don't resemble who they were. It's disrespectful to the fans and it's disrespectful to the writers who worked on those characters before.

  

  SenpaifenixJäger - Aug 12, 2021

  I'm one degree out from completely ditching DC and Marvel comics so stupidly, they've reduced Tim to nothing with this sloppy conversion into some kind of bad soap opera. Now Jason without guns, maybe they will put him to sell cookies with the scouting girls.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  This thread is a laugh riot. Did I stumble into the incel convention? Some of my favorite parts: - "Writers like Tynion lack talent" - Merlyn on 2021 Best Writer Eisner Award winner James Tynion IV -"Either fix this or lose a once loyal fan" - Mingthemerciless, don't let the door hit you on the way out - "any idea of sexism and the patriarchy running things goes right out the window" - Batmanaholic, saying sexism doesn't exist because a woman wrote the 5th most popular Batman comic this month

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Dear loafy Trophy....... prove to me how the comic industry is sexist against woman, when woman are being hired with zero. As in absolutely no experience in writing comics, and yes getting to be in a top 10 dc comic for the month (because even if it's the 5th best selling Batman book, it outsells almost everything else dc makes ) And gets to make ridiculous character changes, I'm the 3rd story she's ever written for the company. Please explain to me how their is a lot of sexism at dc?

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Usually people have to have written a comic for dark horse or image or boom and actually have proof you can write comics, before your handed a job writing for the bar family. She was a back up writer on supernatural? That's my point bud, prove me wrong. Show me the sexism at dc comics or marvel. When woman are getting jobs while being under qualified for them? And not because she's a woman, because she's never written a comic in her life before future state robin eternal (which wasn't half bad )

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  "Starvation doesn't exist bc I just ate" is basically what you just said. I mean, maybe read or listen to some of the stories that women have told about Scott Lobdell or Warren Ellis. Christ, you take this like a personal attack when all it really is is an acknowledgement of a problem. It's hilarious that you think she's underqualified because she's written on Supernatural and co-wrote the most recent DCAU movie. These type of gigs are almost always how writers get their start in comics too.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  She's writing the backup to the 22nd best selling title that DC put out in June according to Comichron. And to think she was the sole decider in a "character change" shows a remarkable amount of naivety. Also the character hasn't changed. He's still Tim, he still has the same backstory and relationships with the Bat-family. He's smart and determined and a leader. He didn't become something radically different just bc now he might be interested in men.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 12, 2021

  Loafy takes a break for spouting too much crap and coming here to provoke people after being specifically told to stop.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Loafy....... talking about things that happens 10-15 years ago with Warren Ellis . Is not talking about the current state of the industry. And yes she pitched a shit story and dc editorial also sucks for approving it....... Although dc editorial board will approve any book or story idea that will get them 15 seconds of headlines on twitter or google. And no Tim's not the same..... his new partner. " who's been training aswell" beat up as many guys as he did in the fight scene

  

  Merlyn - Aug 12, 2021

  I'll let him see this message though and I'll block him after. I'm nice like that.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  So no Tim fighting skills have apparently evaporated to the level of his new boyfriend. So no he's not the same character. He's now according to this story, about the same fighting level as his friend Bernard is lol.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  When an essentially brand new comics writer in a major character for a publisher says the "only" story she could write about Tim Deake is one that makes him bisexual then your dealing with activism not good story telling. When same writer says she spent 2 minutes on the floor of her apartment in joy that her story was approved by DC editorial then you're dealing with an activist with an agenda. No this isn't the same Tim Drake this is now an avatar for activists.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Mist reviews concentrate on zdarskys Redhood story and most readers were buying it for that not the tack on ones. So sales really reflect that MIT yheTim Drake piece. Purely anectforal but look at the reviews here fir example...the Deake story is ranked lowest.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  My bet is if zdarskys output is not replaced with an equally popular main story this titles sales will slip. I know myself and many others are ready to drop this and most DC titles at this point. DC may believe it can replace a haemorraghing of readers with woke basement dwellers like our loaf boy here but DC is kidding itself.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  However if loaf or anyone else can direct me to an issue before this arc where Drake expressed an attraction to other males U ll gladly review it. Since this was the "only"story (her words not mine) then there must be a set up previously. Otherwise we re dealing with activism masquerading as storytelling.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Merlyn, no one gives a single shit about you. Batmanaholic, so we're just gonna ignore that Tim saves Bernard before they fight off the rest of the attackers together? And a two page spread of Tim and Bernard easily handily a group of bad guys must be evidence he can't fight anymore I guess? I mean I'm baffled at how you come to these nonexistent conclusions, but I can't imagine being so fragile you think a character's sexuality being explored is the end of the world, so.....

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Lol didnt take much to get old loaf triggered again.."Christ..you take this like a personal attack"...

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Ming - You must really dislike the work of Jack Kirby, Stan Lee, Dennis O'Neil and like every other comic writer ever that wrote anything with even a smidge of "activism." Also imagine how sad you must be to turn someone else's happiness that their story pitch was actually picked up into a diatribe against "woke activism" or some nonsense. I mean god forbid there be a coming of age story about one of the 4 white, male Robins exploring his feelings for the opposite sex. BTW - google TimKon.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  But speaking of nonexistent have you come up with any references by Tim Drake prior to this arc where he has indicated he is sexually attracted to other males? Since this was the "only" story this writer could write about him there must be some indication. You are defending her decision to do this so I assume you have the receipts?

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  https://www.dcuniverseinfinite.com/news/robin-superboy-greatest-teen-romance-never-was/

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Also I'm not sure how a 16-17 year old going through puberty can't become interested in men. Maybe talk to someone who's Bi or gay and you might learn some perspective.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Your link is to an editorial where a writer wishes Conner and Tim's friendship had become sexual. Kind if creepy wanting to see teenage boys get it in but that's your writer. So do you have an issue where expresses sexual attraction to other makes or not? I can wait...

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Did you have a stroke while typing? I can barely understand any of that drivel. You also seem to have a poor understanding of what bisexual is and I'm really not sure how a teenage boy crushing on another teenage boy is creepy. Do you feel that way about Tim's relationship with Stephanie too?

  

  WhistleBlower - Aug 12, 2021

  Loafy Trophy - Pay no mind to them. These NPCs had screaming fits because I made fun of some Youtube pedophiles that they worship.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  The only one that's having a stroke seems be the writer of the editorial you linked to as he wishes two teenaged boys would go at it. Is that kind of thing appealing to you?

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Pedo...you're asking your fellow stalker to pay no mind to us? You guys cant help it. It's what you do.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  EVSHiresPedos - A+ on the name choice. Ming - I mean the writer of that editorial just ships them and provides a lot of panels that show Tim having feelings for Conner. If you want to intentionally misconstrue and call it "two teenaged boys going at it" by all means go ahead but it's pretty obvious what you're trying to do. Like I asked earlier, would you refer to Tim and Steph's flirtations in such a crude way too? Will you actually answer my questions or keep moving the goalposts?

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Its funny...you talk about pedos and your buddy loaf links to an article where the male writer wishes two teenaged boys would have a romantic relationship with each other. Is the hypocrisy lost on you?

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Loafy my good friend. Your arguments are non sensical.... yes robin saved Bernard. Robin has saved Batman befor aswell. But when they go to fight the bad guys after. Batman always kicks more ass then robin. Bernard is shown to be as good of a fighter as robin in for the 4 pages of fighting we get. For once in your life, understand you are not as smart as you think you are, and every single point you've made in this entire arguement can be easily disproven lol 🤣

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  And there's nothing gay about two bros at 16 -17 lol, does the ass slapping on the high school football team after a good play, make them all gay.?

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Also here is the biggest plot hole with Tim drake being bi......... how many times has been around dick Grayson, and not onetime in 30 years. Has he ever checked out " the best ass in the dc universe " if Tim drakes bisexual. It would be from growing up with a crush on ol nightwing lol........... but we never got that in 30 years.🤷‍♂️ So it's completely out of left field " I didn't know I was gay untill a guy told me I was on a date with him " is a bad plot lol🤣

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Heres the difference liaf...Stephanie and Tim have a romantic relationship. Your writer you linked to on the other hand wishes two teenaged boys who are close friends would be romantically involved with each other. Is that vital difference lost in you? The reason you cant show me Tim questioning his sexuality is because he has never been written that way. But all it took was an activist writer to sh@t all over 30 years of a beloved character all for a socio/political agenda.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Prediction- bi Tim first issue will sell with speculator/curiosity buyers then sales will fall off the cliff. DC is about to learn a very expensive lesson.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  Kate Kane was written as a lesbian. Readers knew the dynamics when they chose to buy the book. Her books don't sell well but what audience wants them they're there. DC doing this to characters we have been with for years is not the same and I can see sales taking a huge hit.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Batmanaholic - You're basing your ENTIRE argument on the fact that now that Tim might be bisexual, he's no longer tough and his skills have "evaporated" because of 2 pages (not 4, learn to count) of him kicking ass, untouched by the enemy. Also on your last comment, do you check our your brother's ass? Because Tim and Dick are brothers for all intents and purposes. Again, maybe talk to a gay or bi person before making these terribly incorrect assumptions.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  I'm talking about the modern Jate Jane of course not the ine abandoned from the 40s and 50s.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 12, 2021

  I ll let you go back to your stalking now. Peace.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Ming - What a pile of garbage. Steph and Tim didn't have a relationship until a writer put them in one the same way Fitzmartin did with Tim and Bernard. The only difference is that one's a same sex relationship, and that you're clearly uncomfortable with it, which is hilarious bc it's a fictional character. And the goalpost moving is the least surprising thing about all of this. You asked for examples, I clearly provided them, and now that literally-from-DC example isn't good enough. Classic.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Ming, on his 5th consecutive reply to the same single comment: "STALKER" Dude, you wouldn't know irony if it walked up, introduced itself, then hit you over the head with a club.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Oh loafy you insufferable fool.... calling people stalkers while you literally come back to this post multiple times a day, to unsuccessfully troll a bunch of people who all think you are a complete and utter moron.

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  No I'm bailing my entire argument of evidence shown in this comic? Bernard has just as good of fight skills it looks like, the way this comic has the fight go lol? Did you not read it yourself? And also they are step brothers, come on everyone's been in pornhub. Stepsis/ step mom porn is literally half the new videos lol. So apperently yes people do check out their step siblings 🤷‍♂️

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 12, 2021

  Basing not bailing *

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 12, 2021

  Batmanaholic - You said verbatim "he's not the same character" based on a two page spread of a fight he wins without being touched. In no way does that show his skill being diminished in any way whatsoever. In fact, what the scene shows, is that Bernard is also competent in a fight and is more than just a "damsel in distress." But I wouldn't expect the guy who gets his understanding of relationships from stepsister/brother/mother porn to understand even the very basics of storytelling.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 12, 2021

  If no one gives a shit about me, WHY ARE YOU COMMENTING ON MY REVIEWS? Are you insane or something?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 12, 2021

  @Batmanaholic: I'm still leaving this guy comment here because you're engaged in a dialogue with him. Please end it sooner rather than later because he's getting on my nerves and I don't have to indulge him.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 12, 2021

  "One of the 4 white, male Robins" OMG, they're white AND males, can it get any worse than that? They're basically nazis, I mean, they've committed the atrocious sins of being white males, the supreme oppressors. Gtfo with that woke bullshit, you idiot!

  

  Batmanaholic - Aug 13, 2021

  Loafy get off your high horse you fucking asshole lol nobody cares what you think, and yes I'd say if he can't out fight a random high school kid. He's no longer the same character.

  

  TSMack - Aug 13, 2021

  @ Merlyn The woke mob won't be happy until they emasculate & humiliate all white males.

  

  Loafy Trophy - Aug 13, 2021

  Batmanaholic - Yep, exactly what I was expecting from an immature child trapped in an adult's body. A bunch of insults and no evidence to back up what you're saying. TSMack - Thanks for the laugh. Didn't realize that I, a white male, am part of a "woke mob" that's purpose is to "emasculate & humiliate" myself. It's also pretty telling (and by that I mean you're a bigot) that you think a comic character's sexuality being explored is humiliating to white men.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  Ok, the idiot's gone. Enough is enough.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  @TSMack: Yes, I know that, it's pretty visible. Every single white male is being pushed aside, humiliated or just completely changed to fit the new agenda. Batman has lost his money because, to quote Williamson, "money is the evilest thing in the world", Tim Drake is gay (in the Titans show the character is no longer white because, hey, too many damn white Robins), Hal Jordan is being pushed aside in the GL book because the madman Thorne hates him, Adam Strange is pretty much a villain.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  I could continue with several other examples but there's obvious there's a pattern here, diminish the number and profile of white male heroes because they're basically the worst opressors ever, they're white, they're males, they're straight, some of them are even rich, in the woke mentality they're guilty of several sins.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  Can anybody please delete this obvious troll account?

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  I'm terrible sorry for your mental illness and I'm sorry I haunt you so badly that you needed to make an account specifically to complain about me. :(

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  To continue on the line before, it appears DC will make Batman leave Gotham. Yet another shitty move on their part, I bet they'll made Jace Fox the next Batman. Another despicable white male that needed to go, who the hell cares Bruce Wayne is one of the most beloved heroes ever and a cultural icon? He's a white male, he's rich, enough of that, we hate those people! The cultural revolution is here and nothing will staind in its way. Superman's next, probably.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  I don't know if I should block you or just wait for someone to delete your account. Ok, block it is.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  Many thanks to the admin who deleted the troll's account and comments!

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 13, 2021

  Merlyn I just read that Batman is leaving Gorham after Fear State. Guess who will fill that spot in 2022? You're right again the woke mob is doing everything it can to marginalize white males. I'm still fairly confident this will tank DC sales of the main bat books. If course there will be a spike initially from speculators and the curious. I expect that to evaporate like all the other Tim Fox titles have.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 13, 2021

  Unfortunately for Tim Drake Ribin I see the same fate.

  

  Merlyn - Aug 13, 2021

  I saw it coming from a mile away. Even though a lot of idiots were like "oh, but they can coexist, Jace will be Batman in FS and Bruce will still remain the Bat in current day". No, they couldn't. The mob is not settling for scraps, not anymore. They're all in. There is no coexistence for these characters, they'll either get totally replaced or radically changed to the point they barely resemble who they were before (as Tim Drake or Adam Strange). If people accept all this, nothing will change.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 13, 2021

  You me and fenix should change our names here to Nostradamus.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 13, 2021

  If current numbers for Tim Fox books are an indicator then DC will hsemoreage sales after the initial hype wears off.

  

  Mingthemerciless - Aug 13, 2021

  I never bought the"dont be stupid Bruce isn't leaving Batman is a cash cow for DC" bleating either. You're right the scraps are no longer enough. Main characters have to be used to trojan horse the agenda because no one reads scraps. Un Tim Foxs case it's his "selfless" war on privilege. Riveting reading I'm sure.

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  Jason : 8.5 The story was nice but still ended like almost every batman/ Red-hood story ends, them going separate ways after solving the problems mentioned in the specific comic. the family element was nice and was happy the story didn't diverge towards the family when they arrived and still focused on Jason and bruce. Tim: 1 The problem isn't that he is turned Bisexual, the problem is how they handled it. Firstly he still cannot get over the Robin identity even though it would be better for him to move on so better stories can be written about him. Secondly the whole story and this issue didn't actually do anything for Tim. even the bisexual part was sprinkled upon on the previous issues and just comes here out of nowhere. The write r of this also wrote Future state Tim, and it matches that as the first issues was great and the later getting bad with the last being the worst. black canary: 5 The story was nice and was a nice step up I guess but in general it was average and nothing I could hold onto. more

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  The signature of the publisher's weakness is in this book. A pretext to take away Jason's weapons and erase the canon, although well done is what we have here, even though I can live with Jason without guns if they give him incredible weapons, a bit illogical because he kills himself with a sword, blades and even a bar, so why not use the All-Blades? on the other hand is the incipient conversion of Tim to bi in a rather boring story out of nowhere. It is not their temptation that Kon and Tim changed together, damn I have done the same after leaving the showers of the sports car and until now I am not bi. Having a friend that you consider a brother I don't know either. Bullshit.

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  I think I will be one of the few who is disappointed in this ending, from the beginning Jason has been mishandled by Zdarky's writing this writer does not know him and it is clearly visible and the worst thing Rosenberg is condoning of this to return the old suit and NO JASON DOESN'T HAVE TO HANG THE BAT AGAIN JUST BECAUSE IT IS BRUCE'S GIFT. Nor stop being the antihero and give up his arms just for murdering a scum, a guy who drugs his own son and almost murders his wife is to applaud? NO. Bruce is still a conceited idiot, I don't know why to put Nightwing in this comic and exclude Damian. It was not a good ending for me. The parts that worked was Jason making decisions here, the interaction with the kid is great the way it brings ou t the soft part of Jason. Now the other stories were very mediocre and Tim being gay or bi is a total progressive bullshit that only ends up spoiling a decent character. more

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  The ridiculous turn for Tim Drake was enough to ruin anything else that may have been good in this issue. I will definitely no longer be following his adventures.

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