Batman #73

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  Linkush

  Jun 19, 2019

  Fantastic issue. This time around, we follow Thomas Wayne as he makes his way through the desert, setting up camps, fighting and singing to himself. While all of this is happening, I was at awe by how beautiful Janin's art was, just damn beautiful. Halfway through the issue, Bruce wakes up and that's where the interesting part starts. They both have a conversation about what happened prior and where they are heading. By the end, Bruce realizes where they are going and who is inside the coffin they were carrying. That realization ultimately makes us realize what was Thomas's plan all along and why he was helping Bane, and damn I thought it was good, I was in a complete shock. The issue ends with Bruce putting his cowl and looking like he 's ready to help Thomas. The pace of this issue was nothing short of perfection, the balance between the silent pages and the ones with Bruce and Thomas talking to each other was great as it helped to make this issue super intense. Oh, and did I already mention that Janin's art was amazing? Because it was. And I also got to give praise for Bellaire, because that coloring was perfection. more

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  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln

  Jun 19, 2019

  A twisted father/son camping trip. It doesn't stand much ground on it's own as it is very light in story length, but as part of the arc it is very atmospheric and the reveal at the end was pretty crazy. I love that Thomas Wayne used his skills as a surgeon and also that he can't stop singing while being with his unconcious son. The art is some of Janin's best to date. Absolutely gorgeous issue.

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  Tony

  Jun 19, 2019

  One of the best issues in all King's run Art:10/10 Janín and Bellaire at their best. Writing: It's ok, it's good and the motivations of Thomas Wayne have logic, he can save a person who he loved, yeah we don't know how he survived but that situation doesn't make the book a bad comic book, at least for me, the dialogues between Bruce and Thomas feels good. 10/10.

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  Another Nerd

  Jun 20, 2019

  Good issue- the twist at the end piqued my interest. Is Bruce's mother or Flashpoint Thomas Wayne's beloved in the box? Still can't explain what happened between Knightmares and this. Will #71 ever be explained?

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  Federico Liguori

  May 01, 2023

  This run is one of the weirdest things I've ever read.

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  Nihilist

  Jun 19, 2019

  Surprise, surprise, I didn't hate it. That's something. Half of the comic is unnecessary, empty filler, hence the lowered score, but once the action picks up, it's readable, and makes you want to quickly pick up the next issue to see where it all leads. The last time I felt like this while reading King's comic, was probably during... I Am Bane story arc? Like it or not, but Thomas' motivation has some sense to it. What would you do if someone you loved became a monster and then died alongside every other being on the planet, while you were offered a chance to travel to a different reality where she's still dead, but at least there's a way to bring her back with some... let's call it "help" from Ra's? I sure would try if I was him. An d even if resurrection is a tired and heavily overused trope in comics, it still could surprie us if done right. If La Soupe aux choux managed to successfully pull this off, there's hope. Or is it? After all, we're talking about Tom King, who didn't write a half decent Batman comic since more than 2 years. more

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  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  What speaks against it is, that Martha most likely would be insane, that it would cause Bruce more pain & that it's overall just sick& twisted. Not to mention, that Thomas isn't his real father, but father of a Bruce from an erased timeline. This sounds like fanfiction to me.

  

  Nihilist - Jun 19, 2019

  Yeah, she most definitely would be insane. I worry she could become her Flashpoint self or something. Can't blame Thomas for trying to bring her back, though. I don't dislike the concept so far. We'll see if it becomes pure fan fic, or maybe derails due to King's usual awful writing.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  Yeah agreed, but guess Thomas also doesn't understand, what moving on means.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  This entire run has seemed like bad fanfic.

  

  Nihilist - Jun 19, 2019

  Both Thomas and Tom can't let go it seems. I can't wait til this run is finally over.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 20, 2019

  I agree with you both. But who knows, maybe someone worse is taking over after King.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  I have a hard time imagining that at this point. Especially some one this bad staying for this long.

  

  Nihilist - Jun 20, 2019

  Azzarello could be worse. Look at Batman Damned or The Killing Joke's bastardized animated movie. But then again, we'll see. I just hope DC won't make the same mistake and try to give someone a gigantic 100 issue run.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 20, 2019

  Tim Seeley would be the worst

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  King will go down as THE worst Batman writer ever IMO.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 20, 2019

  Honestly, that's probably already proven untrue.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  Who's been worse?

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  And I did say IMO, that makes it ok. It's in the Geneva Conventions.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 20, 2019

  Neal Adams.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  Eh He's at least been a part and contributed to the greater Batman mythos with the Death of the Madians I believe. I may be wrong about that one but he was a part of some big stories. Art wise. I don't consider him a writer.

  

  myconius - Jun 20, 2019

  i'd go as far as to say that Tom King is a far WORSE writer than Neal Adams. at least Neal didn't make Batman an incompetent boob.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XjKWgJgaZls/WX_lvjtBVxI/AAAAAAAAKbo/RfCggw_WUpUSyJM6JWpFCK1VCwgQ9flgwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO008.jpg One of many examples.

  

  myconius - Jun 21, 2019

  https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/holly-robinson-takes-down-batman-4.jpg

  

  myconius - Jun 21, 2019

  that page you shared from Batman Odyssey is still a million times better than the page i shared of Holly Robinson takes down Batman.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  @ Nihilist Batman Damned is great so far& it's an Elseworld. Azarello also is nowhere as bad as King. Geoff Johns would be worse. He ruined every character I care about, really everyone, so if he took over it would be a nightmare becoming real. And speaking of Holly. Does nobody care about, that she's a psycho in Kings run?

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  Geoff Johns is the best writer DC has by an incredible margin.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Sure. Because he's so talented, that's why he erased everything about the New Gods, changed their look, erased their relationships, weakened their power level, turned them into jokes, turned Darkseid into a big joke he hasn't recovered. It's obvious Johns has zero respect for them. Just like he wrote Scarecrow as the total opposite of who he is. In every story since the 40ies Scarecrow hates being afraid& hates Batman, Johns wrote him as someone, who loves being afraid& who needs& likes Batman.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  I sure wouldn't call someone like Johns a great writer, who has zero respect for the character & who knows nothing about them. I prefer King over Johns every time. Not even King ruined characters like Johns did.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  It's ok to be wrong.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Agreed. Not all read the New Gods, so of course you can't realize what a crappy writer Johns is, if you don't know the characters. With Scarecrow however people should, since he's more popular.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  Not a New Gods guy for sure but I've loved pretty much everything else Johns has written. Even his Scarecrow stuff. While it may have been out of character, it was still well written. Something King has failed to do.

  

  myconius - Jun 21, 2019

  i have to say that Geoff Johns Batman Earth One was a real hatchet job. he butchered Batman almost as bad as King did. though not nearly as severe.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  I see Earth One as much more forgivable because it's basically an Elseworlds. So he didn't butcher the main Batman, just an alternate version. Very different than King.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  His take on Scarecrow thankfully didn't stick& him being part of Sinestro was still kind of cool, but he was still severely out of character& unrecognizable, so Johns should never touch his character again, if he has no respect. I love the New Gods and what Johns did to them was rape, slaughter I have no other words. If he did the same with Batman, Then his entire background would be changed, he would look differently act differently, act like an idiot& would be cannon fodder in every story.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Writing characters out of character, forcing your idea on them, while not caring whether it fits their characters or not& not respecting these characters is the very definition of bad writing& Johns did this with Scarecrow & even worse with New Gods. Therefore he's not a good writer. A good writer respects all characters& not just his favorites.

  

  Nihilist - Jun 21, 2019

  Batman Earth One wasn't so bad, but sure, it portrayed certain characters out of character. At least none of them tried to rape Bats nor was a gangsta rapper, which Azzarello, the edgelod he is, did. Riddler was pretty terrible there, though. Joe Pesci-like Penguin was great, on the other hand, I loved this take.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 22, 2019

  Comparing what he did to characters to rape and slaughter is why too far. They are fictional characters, there is no comparing OOC writing to such horrible acts. He tried to update characters that few people seemed to care about and make them popular for a new generation. New Gods have never been household names, except for maybe Darkseid. I hate Kings writing but even I don't go as far as you did with that post.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  @Nihilist It was an Elseworld& it was supposed to be for adults. Don't think it's edgy, since if you look at real crimes some mass murderers are doing worse stuff with their victims. Comic criminals are still nice compared to real people. You could make Joker way more terrible than he already is. @ Talon No it's not, because that's exactly what Johns did. He butchered them. Read more New Gods comics, then you might understand, why I'm so angry with Johns writing. And what King did to Batman

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  still can't be compared to what Johns did to the New Gods. Their characters are pretty much dead, even when they are alive& that's all thanks to Johns & his crappy writing. There was no reason at all to change everything about them.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 22, 2019

  They had a small fan base though. That's the reason they changed things. To try to reach a broader base. He tried to make a very small subsection of the comic community linteresting to more people. They don't compare because Batman is probably the most recognizable comic character in existence. He didn't need to change. I'd argue that the New Gods did.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 22, 2019

  Still not comparable to rape though. Let's be real here.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  A good writer could make a great story to reach more fans. He wouldn't need to change everything about these characters. Johns messed up big here. And you said yourself, that you don't know much about the New Gods, so read more comics with them before saying that. As a big fan of them I say there was no reason at all to change & butcher their characters.. Johns JL & Darkseid War is an abomination. It hurts reading that crap, since it's wrong in so many ways.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  I also think every character should be treated with respect, no matter if the writer likes this character or not or if it's a lesser known character. They all deserve to be treated with respect& done justice to their character. Johns didn't& that's why he's an awful writer.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 22, 2019

  I think you're wrong. He wrote the only version that I ever found interesting. But that's me.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  Then you make no sense. You are criticizing King for writing Batman out of character, but defend Johns for doing the same with the New Gods. The difference however is, that Batman will recover& already did in other runs, but New Gods are ruined now. Like I said read more comics with them, maybe you'll understand my problem with Johns. As for me he should stay as far away from the New Gods& Batman characters as possible, but wait he's going to ruin Joker as well in his 3 Joker Story.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 22, 2019

  As a fan of the New Gods, I would like to know how Geoff Johns ruined them.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 22, 2019

  Like I said, one is probably the biggest property to ever come out of comics and one is made up of characters that very few people recognize. The New Gods aren't ruined forever either. The right writer can fix them. I'd say Vanditte, May have spelled it wrong, did more damage to them than Johns did during Godhead storyline.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 23, 2019

  @ Br'er By erasing their entire history, turning them into weaker versions of themselves, erasing every meaningful relationship between these characters, turning them into completely different characters to the point where they are unrecognizable, changing their looks. Turning them into jokes. @ Talon So you are saying, that writers can mess up characters as long as they aren't as popular as others? I disagree. A good writer does every character justice. And it's not like New Gods are D

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 23, 2019

  characters, they are B/ C characters & Darkseid is a major JL villain& Johns turned him into a big joke. Godhead also sucked, but not like Darkseid War or JL. They are pretty much dead. Look how bad Mister Miracle& Female Furies are. It's just painful to read as a fan. And even JL Odyssey can't keep up with older stories. As long as DC sticks with their stupid New52 Interpretation they will stay dead, since it's not what these characters are.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 23, 2019

  I'm saying your definition of messing up a lesser known character is skewed. Had he done nothing they would still be obscure characters that few people care about. I though Morrison did a much worse job than Johns. Darkseid War was an extremely well received story. I loved it for the most part. It got the characters you love back out into the fore front of the DCU. If not for that, they would possibly still be languishing in obscurity. We are just.not going to agree on Johns though. At least we

  

  Talon1load - Jun 23, 2019

  Can agree that King sucks. Lol

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 23, 2019

  The New Gods aren't more popular because of Johns. Darkseid War was well received, because it's a Batman/ hero fanboy story. The New Gods had fans before& if anything they are more popular thanks to Kings Mister Miracle. Morrison did a terrible job as well, but he didn't humiliate Darkseid & turned him into a joke& he also didn't erase everything about them. Johns is a crappy writer& New Gods are the best example for this. Like I said he should just stay away from them.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 23, 2019

  We will never agree on Johns. I still say he's the best writer at DC. Even if you don't like his New Gods, have you tried Green Lantern, JSA, Justice League, Flash, Booster Gold, I mean he's written so many great titles.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 23, 2019

  I like the New Gods because of Jack Kirby, also I only read the last part of Darkseid War to prepare for Rebirth, so I missed on what Johns changed about them, other than baby Darkseid. Which was a good idea, completely wasted by aging him up almost immediately in Wonder Woman.

  

  Nihilist - Jun 23, 2019

  Personally wouldn't call him THE best, but certainly, he's top tier. Who could compete with him? Easily Morrison and Gaiman (even though he doesn't write anything right now), very, very maybe Snyder, Tomasi and Tynion, but still, Johns is an industry giant. He made mistakes along the way, but most in-continuity ones should be fixable.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 24, 2019

  He's not top tier. He's a wanna be Morrison. Just like King, but King hasn't butchered characters like Johns did. @ Br'er In which twisted World is baby Darkseid a good idea? That's how you ruin characters. It was a mockery of Darkseid. Not to mention, that Darkseid is a brilliant strategist& not some idiot, who runs headless into battle as what Johns portrayed him as. Making the heroes gods& Lex Darkseid only shows how little he knows about the New Gods. Lex could never contain Darkseid's power

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 24, 2019

  since he's only human. That was stated before ( what Johns totally ignored). Same with the Omega Beams. They aren't just dumb lasers Johns portrayed them as, they are connected with the source& they can annihilate everyone in less than a second. Not everyone can control them, because they come with horror ( what Johns also ignored, when he put Grail in it). And they certainly can't be stabbed out with a stupid trident.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 24, 2019

  What Johns did was ridiculously powering up the earth heroes& weakening the New Gods in every way. Same with Metron. Metron himself is one of the most brilliant characters in DC. He's the one, who created the mother box& the moebius chair, not someone else like in Johns bad fanfiction. Not every idiot can be Metron just because he is sitting on that chair like Batman did. Batman wouldn't be able to use the chair, since it's technology that goes beyond his understanding. So no Johns is a crappy

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 24, 2019

  writer, who only cares about characters he personally likes& who doesn't respect other characters. Plus that he doesn't care at all about contuinity. Guess it's too difficult to read even one New Gods or Scarecrow comic.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 24, 2019

  Dude, that's the whole point, no one, very few, give a damn about the New Gods. Johns at least made them interesting to a new generation. I like his take but I can't stand Kirby's first incarnation. They've been a joke for years. Hell, Darkseid tried to get Superman to make a porno with Big Barda. Mr Miracle was used as comic relief in the JL international. Morrison had Turpin contain Darkseid. They haven't been written well in decades. Johns is widely recognized as a top writer. You're just

  

  Talon1load - Jun 24, 2019

  Wrong in this instance

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 25, 2019

  They were interesting before. Johns spit on them. They had great stories& you obviously aren't qualified to judge them, since you admitted, that you have read zero stories with them, while I have read all stories. Walter Simonson, Starlin& Byrne all did an awesome job with them. Yeah Johns is recognized, because most readers have no clue about comics or characters these days. Johns is a crappy writer& he butchered many characters with his incompetence. Also just because you don't like them

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 25, 2019

  doesnt mean they aren't great characters. DC rather should have killed them off for god instead of allowing Johns spitting on them.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 25, 2019

  *good

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 25, 2019

  Maybe baby Darkseid wasn't a good idea but I thought it lead to a really goofy image in Dark Nights Metal of Batman carrying him around, so no regrets. Geoff Johns is definitely top tier btw. Just look at the latest issue of Doomsday Clock. The one issue I read of Darkseid War was also excellent and he didn't permanently damage anyone. I would say Female Furies is doing far more damage to the New Gods and Jack Kirby's legacy. Thank god that no other writers will ever act like it is canon.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 25, 2019

  I've read some New Gods stuff but not a ton. From what I read, they weren't very interesting and no they weren't nor have the ever been popular characters with a few exceptions. Johns has done more characterization with guys than most writers so saying he's only popular because people don't know any better is just disingenuous. Like you alluded too, you haven't read the vast majority of his work so you're not really qualified to make such a statement.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 26, 2019

  @ Talon Apart from his Flash I did& Im for sure not biased, since if I was I would bash Doomsday Clock just because Johns wrote it, but if you look at my reviews I like DDC a lot so far. Doesn't matter though, since JL, Darkseid War& Blackest Night shows, that hes a bad writer, since he a) doesn know the characters & b) doesn't respect them& c) is biased, since he is only willing to give his favorite characters a great story. And your popular argument makes no sense. New Gods were popular in

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 26, 2019

  The 80ies/ 90ies& 2000+. Plus Scarecrow is a popular character & still Johns messed him up badly. The only good thing here is, that it didn't stick, since he's too popular to be messed up like that. It's not more disingenuous than assuming characters aren't loved or popular just because you don't personally like them. What have you read? @Br'er Johns did permanently damage them, since he rewrote their entire history, power level, looks in JL& Darkseid War. Even 2-3 years later Darkseid still

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 26, 2019

  Struggles due to that stupid story. Female Furies suck no doubt, but they aren't canon& therefore did less damage. And at least their looks and past weren't completely changed unlike in Darkseid War. And that scene in Metal is one reason, why I didn't like it. Plus I want to slap Batman for it.

  

  myconius - Jun 26, 2019

  i really hated that origin they slapped on Darkseid in the New52 Justice League 'Villains Month' issue. . . . . . you're really pointing your anger in the wrong direction. Batman is a fictional character and not responsible for his actions. if you want to slap someone, slap the writer. ....not literally. but you know what i mean.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 26, 2019

  Me too, even so that origin wasn't Johns fault, but it definitely was bad. Yeah, but Batman deserves a slap for many things too lol. I also wouldn't go so far to insult or harass the writers. While I hate most of the things Johns wrote he seems like a nice person. Just like King. But it's very frustrating to watch, what they did to the New Gods. They were my favorite comics after Batman. Johns should just never touch the New Gods, Scarecrow or Batman characters again.

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  MistMiracle

  Jun 19, 2019

  Tbh I think this issue was the weakest in the recent arc. And "What's in the box?" reveal didn't get me. Also lot of filler stuff...

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  AdmiralWhiskers

  Jun 19, 2019

  I am amazed at the staying power of Zack Snyder's imagery of Batman in the goggles and trenchcoat in the sandy/apocalyptic world. First, Snyder did it in Last Knight. Now, King on Batman. Singing "Home on the range" - What's the reason for the choice in song? Parody of the situation they are in? Trying to suggest calm on Wayne's part as he fights his way through 1/3 of the book? He could have fought in silence. On the bright side, King lowered the extraneous narrative boxes to (close to?) zero. The dialogue carried more weight as a result. The art is serviceable. Which is all you can ask when you're being instructed by the writer to draw sand dunes at twilight for 23 pages. I'll go 6.0/10...and then go buy some 1930's fligh t goggles and an oversized trenchcoat. more

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  allenquanobi

  Jun 29, 2019

  I can't say I hate this series. I can just say how painfully average it is. A comparison for me would be the Ant-Man movies in the MCU. Just filler and average but not necessarily bad, which sucks because Tom King is capable of so much better. At least the art never really disappoints

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  Darkseid24

  Jun 19, 2019

  This story is sick on so many levels& I would enjoy it more, if I turned my brain completely off I guess, but thinking about it there are too many things, that just don't make any sense. First of all I can't see, why Bruce is even thinking Flashpoint Batman is his real father. Flashpoint Batman is a mass murderer, a Batman, who went psycho. Thomas is against everything Bruce stands for, so I can't see how Bruce would ever be fine with him or see him as his father. Already made zero sense in Rebirth. Thomas is from an erased timeline, not the father Bruce has lost in the canon timeline. Secondly we still don't get any explanation how Thomas can be in the canon timeline. At least we got some informations about his motivations, but it 's just twisted and sick. Reviving Martha ok.... It's just giving Bruce a painful story for nothing. And as far as I remember: the Lazarus Pit in the comics doesn't bring dead people back only heals people at the edge of death. Bringing people back from the dead causes madness, so Martha would be quite insane I guess. So what's the point? I really hope these big changes King mentioned aren't bringing Bruce's parents back, but marrying Catwoman wouldn't be much better. Then Thomas mentioned Bruce had been broken by Bane, but that's the biggest problem of this entire run, that the way the story goes I don't buy it for a second, that Bruce would be that devastated about a break up. Especially because the only traumatic thing - Dick getting shot- is ignored. I'm asking myself, why was it done then? Banes entire plan& the plot is just stupid. With Thomas& Martha it's at least something dramatic, but I'm still asking myself, why the team up with Bane. Bruce's portrayal also is that of a little whiney boy not of the Batman we know. I see no reason for Bruce hugging Thomas, since he isn't his father. Many would say, that's because of Bane, but like I mentioned above the way the story is presented I just don't buy it. It's too forced& over the top to be believable. Not to mention, that it's not an enjoyable story. So overall at least we get some story progression, but don't know how much I like the ideas presented here. All I know is, that after this story I don't want to see Bane for the next 4 years, since King at least succeeded with Bane getting on my nerves. more

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  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  this is probably one of the best reviews you've written in a while. many excellent points.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  Thank you :)

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  you're most very welcome! ^___^

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  Not a Lazarus Pit.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  What else? @ Batman Jones

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  Nain Pit. We've never heard of it before but another review pointed out it's a Biblical reference. A Lazarus Pit can only restore the newly dead. This is something else we've yet to see in a Batman comic.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  The Nain pit is just another Lazarus pit. You should have learned after HiC to stop reading too much into things.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 20, 2019

  I never liked the character of Bane. I always rgought he was pathetic and weak, The only time he is ever able to beat Batman is after others had already weakened him mentally and physically. And even then he has to juice up to do it most of the time. I do agree with you on Bat daddy not being his father. And the hugging him was not believable at all.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 20, 2019

  @Talon1load, Nain is not Lazarus. Here's a good article: A significant amendment... A Lazarus Pit is not a Nain Pit. We have no IDEA what a Nain Pit does... https://www.cbr.com/batman-lazarus-nain-pit/

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 20, 2019

  Oops. Copied the wrong comment. Still, check out the article.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  It's going to be pretty much the same thing. It's not like King has had an original idea in the last 73 issues. He may call it whatever he wants but it's a damn Lazarus pit.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 20, 2019

  We just disagree about this whole run and that's okay. From my POV virtually every idea King has had on this run is original. But people don't have to agree about art of any sort and they really shouldn't. Good and bad aren't and can't be objective things when it comes to any sort of art. Everyone experiences art differently and that's how it should always be. I hope you enjoy the next Batman writer better. Peace. :)

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  I think we disagree on the definition of original. He has not done anything that has not already been done before. Other than making Batman useless. That is an original spin in the character. I guess I can see where you're coming from when it's framed like that.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 20, 2019

  Of course that's not what I meant but you knew that. No hard feelings. I don't have the time or inclination to explain myself to people that just have very different ideas about what's original or about this run. Keep on keeping on. Peace

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 20, 2019

  I agree with you Talon. I don't think all of Kings run was bad. There were some good moments. I enjoyed seeing a lighter version of Bat's at times. I loved the date night issues. And I liked the issues where Cat and Bat fought side by side. I hated the whole Gotham and Gotham girl stories. I just thought they were useless characters. I have never been a Bane fan so I'm not enjoying the current story that much.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 20, 2019

  However the fact that Catwoman will be fighting at his side in City of Bane does make it more enjoyable. The war of Jokes and Riddles was good but it could have been better I think. So this run was not all bad. I do think King could use with writing tighter stories. Shorter stories. Because lets face it some of them went on forever. He also could work on his dialogue. Add more of it and less crap.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 20, 2019

  I MEANT i AGREE WITH YOU BATMAN JONES. SORRY TALON I PUT THE WRONG NAME DOWN

  

  myconius - Jun 20, 2019

  i have to agree with Talon1load. King's Batman is pretty useless, and all his stories feel like bad knock-offs of ideas that were handled better by more accomplished writers. i mean how many times are he going to see Tom King have Bane break Batman's back? it's like a bad parody of Knightfall.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  Lol. I was confused for a second. No worries though.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  I agree with Talon& myconius. Apart from making some characters unrecognizable nothing was original. Not even the ending in Jokes& Riddles. Batman would have been a killer in many stories before, it it wasn't for luck or other people stopping him. Thanks to King I also can't take Bane seriously at all.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  I'm curious what characters do you think were unrecognizable? And how?

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  Batman for the most part. If he wasn't wearing the suit, and wasn't referred to by name, it would be easy to think this was a different character based on how King has written him in comparison to almost EVERY other writer. No one has ever written him this weak and ineffectual before.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Holly was turned into a Psychopath& of course Batman. Nightwing acted like a total idiot, Bane also acted weird. The way Batman treated people, Thomas is out of character. Catwoman was out of character, when she went to prison. She hates being in prison. Catbat is ooc. Joker was also awfully portrayed.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  I don't really agree with all of that. Bat's wasn't weak until just lately. For most of the run he was okay. And it makes sense that Bat's would lose it a little over Catwoman leaving him. It was the first time Bruce let himself truly openly feel for someone. I rather liked seeing a bit of a softer side to him. I can't say I care over much for they way the nightmare/Bane story is playing out right now.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  I think right now he is being written rather weak. Too weak. As for Thomas I don't really think there has been enough written about him to get a complete picture of who he is. It is completely possible to picture him as having been confronted with the son he lost and having lost him wife it's possible he could in his grief come up with the plan of bring his family back together. Though I don't think he would have worked with Bane against his son.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  Unless he thought to do so was the only way he could get Bat's to agree to his plan of bringing his wife back. As for Catwoman I don't really get the story of her being in prison. Was that story covered anywhere else? I liked how Cat and Bat were together. I love them as a couple. As for the Joker he's always changing. So I thought he was wrote okay. I liked the story where he was waiting for his invite to the wedding. Nightwing was his usual fun self. He's often a goofy idiot.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Bruce is acting like a teenage crybaby since 50 not like an adult. And no. First of all we saw nothing, that Bruce opened more up to Catwoman than he already did in other stories. Then he for example opened way more up to Natalya in the Dark Knight than he ever did to Catwoman in Kings run. King is acting like he did, but nothing like that was shown in the comics. And that's why it feels so cheap. As for Thomas we still don't know why he's even here& it makes no sense, that he even considers

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  It's part of his charm as a character.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Bruce being his son. He's from an erased timeline after all. All of this sounds like King has never thought the story through,

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  In the prison arc There was talk about how they wrote letters to each other and how it was were he confessed his love for her. It would have been nice to have had that fleshed out but we didn't get that.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  That's a big part of the problem with Kings run. He tells you a lot happens without ever showing you. Almost the entire WoJaR was that way. I can't stand that. Weak characterization and most of the story happening off panel is a terrible way to write comics.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 21, 2019

  True he does leave a lot out that shouldn't be left out. it would have been nice to have more clarity. It would have at least lefr the reader feel like the story was moving towards something

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  @ Talon Very good point. That's one of the problems I have with King. He often just mentions all the exciting stuff, but never lets the reader experience it.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 22, 2019

  Oh well his run is almost over so I guess we will see what if anything comes out of what he left out. With any luck it will at least be more interesting then it has been.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  Yeah you're right. I just hope his big change is something good& exciting.

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  Psycamorean

  Jun 19, 2019

  Whatever. I don't care. I feel like all of Thomas Wayne's plan up to this point was pointless. Why go through with any of Bane's plan if your entire plan, in the end, was to revive your wife and bring your family back together? It's not as though his connection with Bane is going to help any with Al Ghul, otherwise why are they being attacked in the desert by his guard? Maybe teaming up with someone who mentally tormented your son is a bad move. I don't know. We all know this plan will fail and no one can say they won't see it coming. I can't bring myself to care about this. Let's get a move on to something more interesting as it seems King is just unwilling to answer the question of how Thomas Wayne is back. That question is the only reaso n I find this Batman even remotely interesting. Singing Home on the Range is not going to do it, shockingly. more

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  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 19, 2019

  The Bane part of his plan was to emotionally destroy Bruce and make him more willing to stop being Batman and be his son again. Hence the line "You were defeated. Broken. Body and soul. That's behind you. In Gotham. Now, here it is time to rebuild. To show them how strong you really are. Son. My little boy. You don't have to worry anymore. About anything. Your father's got you." Notice he says to rely on his father when he says rebuild himself? He is manipulating Bruce emotionally into

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 19, 2019

  thinking his whole life spent as Batman was a waste and that he could have the chance to make it all good again by having his parents back. A plan I believe Batman would not go along with, without his mental breakdown. At the end Batman says "I remember the blood, the pearls. Knowing I would never see you again. I was too... difficult. I... forsook my life. I surrendered to a vow. And now what was that worth?" And then Thomas encourages that mindset with peptalk.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 19, 2019

  (Also I still don't entirely buy that it is Thomas. I still can't get over that Hush took his spot in the gang in Batman #72's Flashback.)

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  But the problem with that is Bruce's craziness is not crazy at all. No one believes him, sure, but he's remained on point about Bane. So that leads me to believe that his judgment, while strained, is still very much there.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  Plus, Bruce knows Thomas worked with Bane to help break him. That would further strain the relationship they have. Why not help defeat Bane with his son, reconnecting with him, and then pull the Weekend at Bernie's with Martha's corpse?

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  Why approach the emotional manipulation from such an antagonistic angle, unlike most emotional manipulators would?

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  His end goal is to have a family again, he is going about it in the stupidest way possible. So you better be right about the Hush thing or this Thomas Wayne Batman is a chump.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  I think everything is quite stupid here. Bruce is a grown up man, so I don't think emotional manipulation by a mass murderer would work here. King writes Bruce as a fragile personality, but while Bruce has issues, he never is so weak as written here. And point also is: everything Bane did to him is forced& unbelievable.

  

  VicSav - Jun 19, 2019

  That's why you guys are delusional, you only think Batman can be written one way. Humans are irrational in behavior, and Bruce is human it doesn't matter what someone else thinks when it's not genuine.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  Bruce is that special kind of human that can have their back broken only for it to be healed within a few days.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  I don't think he can only be written one way, but by the logic of this series' characterization of him, it still doesn't really work. But the characterization is dependant on the story King wants to tell at that moment, so no wonder it's inconsistent.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  Me neither, but he shouldn't be written out of character& that's exactly how he's written in Kings run. There are so many problems with this run.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  So much judgment of parts of the story that just haven't been told yet. King tweeted today that an explanation of Flashpoint Batman is coming. I honestly don't get the criticism that an unexplained thing won't be explained because it hasn't been explained YET. Did I miss the news about #73 being the last issue in King's run?

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 19, 2019

  It's not so much a complaint to me. It's an annoyance. It's the only reason I'm interested in this plot line and this issue's focus. So to have to wait almost 25 issues for the answer, if not more, when in the past these answers have almost always been underwhelming and lackluster, is annoying.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  Fair enough. For me I tend to wait for the end of a story before judging the story. Totally fair though to turn a story off in the middle. I do that all the time and if I were hating this run that's what I'd do. I actually love the waiting because it builds anticipation and because I've enjoyed every issue so far but everyone's opinion is equally valid.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  I'm not sure which answers have been lackluster though. From my perspective really nothing has been answered yet. I get the frustration over having to wait so long for the answers and I'd feel the same if I weren't digging the book but I'm honestly confused as to what's been answered.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  Everything about this entire run has been lackluster and that's being generous.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  @Batman Jones. im willing to give writers time usually, but it's been 73 issues & there are not any answers.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 19, 2019

  73 issues and we knew from the start to expect over 100. It is probably too late for rewrites as well.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 20, 2019

  If solicits are any indicator, Tom King has definitely rewrote parts of this run. Also, maybe if the story was actually properly paced then we wouldn't be complaining about how long it is. But it's paced like shit. The Knightmares arc is the epitome of that.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 20, 2019

  Yes, I for sure didn't complain about the length of Knightfall or No Mans Land, but those stories were better written.

  

  Superheroes for Hire - Jun 20, 2019

  It's the fact that nothing else has really happened in these 73 issues. It's all one big really lackluster storyline so far. I haven't read Knightfall yet, but I can bet it didn't have fever dream arcs. I can bet there were real fights with villains and sublots that all had their conclusions along the way. And I can bet the writer didn't tell everyone it was going to all be a fight with Bane spread over 100 issues!

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  Knightfall was also just a big dumb 90s' story not unlike Death of Superman. Tom King's run isn't. It is philosophical, experimental, and literary. Clearly something that divides Batman fans practically down the middle. I would understand the complaints if this were the only Batman book on the shelves, but there are so many to choose from. Why can't one of them break the mold and experiment?

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  (Also I like Knightfall, sorry for calling it dumb.)

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  (Also I do get the complaints because that book happens to be called *Batman*, so it is mainly treated as the main Batman storyline, would people care nearly as much if this was being done in a book not DC's flagship title?)

  

  Talon1load - Jun 21, 2019

  I don't think they (we) would be as angry if it weren't the main title.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 21, 2019

  "philosophical, experimental, and literary" are not the words I'd use to describe this run. I'd go for "pretentious, poorly constructed and sophomoric."

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  They are the same thing really. All philosophical or literary work gets labeled pretentious by somebody.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  It reminds me of something Sam Kieth's friend said in the back of I Before E. How his and Bill Messner Loebs book Epicurus was hailed as

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 21, 2019

  Well-written, philosophical, thought provoking, emotional, but also amateur and sophomoric by others.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 21, 2019

  Well, I don't know if their book was that bad, but this one definitely is.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 21, 2019

  Hear, hear, Br'er

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  I just wanted to start my riot, when you said Knightfall is dumb lol I've read works of real philosophers& Kings Batman run is not philosophical. I assure you, rather pseudo philosophical. And can you blame people? Batman is one of the most important comic runs of DC, it's canon& King clearly doesn't know how to write these characters. He doesn't know them, so of course fans are upset, since Batman run defines the characters. If King wanted to experiment he could have done black label.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  However he clearly isn't talented enough for writing an important run like Batman. Maybe he's Didios lover, I can't find another explanation, why he has so many freedoms in DC.

  

  myconius - Jun 21, 2019

  i'm definitely in agreement with Darkseid24 here. Batman is DC's biggest cash cow, and they handed it to someone that doesn't understand or respect the character or his mythology. he's too busy breaking the character down, to the point of not being recognizable anymore. and he never shows the slightest inkling that he'll ever build him back up. Batman is supposed to be the ideal. the peak of human performance both physically and mentally. but NOT Tom King's Batman. his Batman is pathetic.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 22, 2019

  Agreed. And it seems most of modern writers have no respect for the characters.

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  egonnn244

  Jun 19, 2019

  "You are not Batman" Well, this issue was useless. Everything that occurred here could have been said in one page, hell, in one panel or in one speech bubble. Yeah, useless. And Thomas Wayne singing during combat was just super weird. On one hand, it was quaint and kinda fitting, but on the other, he never struck me, while reading Flashpoint, as a guy who sings, not even in the shower. One upside to this issue though. The artwork. Mikel Janin and Jordie Bellaire go above and beyond with their work. Every page looks amazing. My favorite is the one where Bruce wakes up. The detail, his facial expression (the terror in his eyes)... just brilliant. It's a shame that their talent is wasted... on whatever the hell this is.

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  LunaMoody

  Jun 19, 2019

  Okay Batman's big thing was always that he was a hero without powers. Just a man and his vow. So how is it he once again has his back broken and yet he is perfectly fine? Breaks do not heal that fast. I know his dad is a doctor but still spinal injuries do not heal over night no matter who fixes them. Come on !!! If you going to have him be just a non powered human then put a little reality into his healing. At least the first time around he was in a wheel chair for a while and was magically healed. I liked the ending. But really daddy Bat's helped break him. There should have been more anger. Would have like more dialogue between the Bat's and less Bat dad singing.

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  VicSav - Jun 19, 2019

  Him coming back from a broken back in the old comics is not realistic either.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 19, 2019

  True but it was a little more realistic than this is. At least it was magically done, Where Bat daddy fixed his mack this time.So this time would be a more natural way of healing and not a magical way. But a persons back would not heal that fast and well naturally.

  

  LunaMoody - Jun 19, 2019

  Sorry back not mack

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  Maybe his back isn't entirely broken in Batman just a rupture. And that's why he's ok.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  so was this the 2nd or 3rd time Tom King has had Bane break Batman's back in this run?

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  I stopped counting lol Maybe it's more like a wrestling move

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  there have been so many broken backs in this run, that it's ridiculous.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  Agreed. And so many things are ridiculous in this run.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  at least DC finally booted this goofball off their most popular titles. they were idiots for even putting him there in the first place. just like they were idiots for letting Geoff Johns write Batman Earth One. they would have been better off letting someone like David Finch write and draw Batman at the beginning of Rebirth. his Dark Knight series may not have been the most outstanding series, but it was entertaining, and didn't do anything to ruin the character.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  At least the second time it's been broken in this run and until Thomas said something, I didn't know he'd even had it broken again. Regardless though, just had his back broken and his dad fixes it and throws him over the back of a horse? Bullshit. I just had back surgery and I guarandamntee you, that would not happen.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  no definitely not! disbelief only suspends but so much. a severe Back injury either cripples or disables someone. if anyone should have their ass thrown into the Lazarus Pit, it's BRUCE with the amount of times his back has been broken in this cockamamie run.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  FACT!!!!

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  David Finch didn't write the Dark Knight though, it was Gregg Hurwitz& I loved the Dark Knight run. It's a shame it was canceled& DC did Batman Eternal instead. And maybe they all get thrown in the pit ;)

  

  myconius - Jun 20, 2019

  Finch actually did write the very first volume of Batman the Dark Knight, before the New 52. after the New 52 relaunch, he was still co-writing the series with Paul Jenkins. i don't remember when Gregg Hurwitz took over. probably during the second story arc? definitely a shame that it should be replaced by Batman Eternal. Batman Eternal was just a shame PERIOD! xD

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 20, 2019

  Yeah. Hurwitz wrote it since issue 10, starting with Cycle of violence. I think his stories were way better than the ones from Paul Jenkins, but his story where Bane& Scarecrow teamed up was kind of fun too. But the rabbit girl was so stupid on so many levels.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 20, 2019

  Batman Eternal really was. Such a disappointment. Glad this is over.

  

  myconius - Jun 20, 2019

  even though Finch's writing was only ok, i still enjoyed it a lot more than King's.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  Same.

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  Talon1load

  Jun 19, 2019

  Once again Tom King shows that he knows nothing about Batman or even basic biology. Let's see, Batman has his back broken, AGAIN, that's at least the second time during this run, his alternate reality father apparently fixes it and escapes Gotham with Bruce all off panel. Is King capable of doing anything original because he just does the same shit over and over and he doesn't do it well. Anyway, so daddy fixes his broken back and immediately throws him over the back of a horse. Having just had back surgery myself, this is complete and utter bullshit. King, again, shows that he has no idea how backs work. Lol. It's so bad it's funny. Daddy Bats rides around fighting ninjas and singing "Home in the Range" which I guess allowed King to fill space without having to come up with any of his own shitty dialogue, so that's both a plus and a minus. Bruce eventually wakes up and does nothing, which is a continuing theme with King's Batman. There's a brief conversation where we once again see that the writer knows jack and/or shit about Batman and has him, once again, whine about the night his parents died. Holy shit this is talked about in every other issue. Oh, I forgot that Thomas, with his convalescent son draped across the back of his horse has also been dragging a coffin. Who's in the coffin? Why non other than mommy bats. Now, is it Flashpoint Martha? That doesn't make sense, how would he have had the time to grab her body? Is it this worlds Martha? That makes even less sense because he never met her. So either way, this is an idiotic twist thrown in for shock value. I'm sorry, but if you're a fan of this run, you're not a Batman fan because this isn't Batman. When, in his 80 year history, has he EVER been written as this stupid, whiny, and ineffectual? When? This is not So much Batman as it is an extremely bad parody of him. more

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  Jun 24, 2019

  "This issue has no plot progression, and the story keeps dragging on." "This issue is genius and portrays Thomas Wayne's tragic character beautifully." "This issue doesn't answer any questions; How did Flashpoint Bats survive the Button?" "Let King finish his story; you should only judge it when its over." "King's Batman is hot garbage." "King's Batman is art." "Golly gee, I wonder when the next issue of Doomsday Clock comes out?"

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  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 25, 2019

  "Did you try thinking about the pieces presented in the comic? Y'know before complaining about answers?" "Nah, I just prefer to show up and give it my weekly 1/10 and give no credit or thought. When's the next Detective Comics? The book that has never had an arc that was a total waste."

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 25, 2019

  Sorry, had to get that off my chest. I was talking about one person specifically but they don't even read Detective. I just find it funny there is a Detective arc where everything was a simulation and it gets a free pass, while Knightmares is apparently the worst thing ever but has more relevance in its' book.

  

  REYNARD - Jun 25, 2019

  (@Br'er Lapin) I mean a least that detective arc didn't have that horrendous Roadunner "beep-beep" bullshit issue.

  

  Psycamorean - Jun 25, 2019

  That detective arc was actually fun to read as well. And it wasn't coming off the heels of a cliffhanger. And the writing/dialogue was better.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jun 25, 2019

  Aw, I like Looney Tunes.

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  Spacey Medicine

  Jul 08, 2019

  Over a quarter of this book is the song Home on the Range and honestly I could get that for free on youtube so...

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  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jul 9, 2019

  Well maybe next time Tom King will make it an approximation of Andy Serkis breaking into song. Everyone knows when Andy Serkis does it...

  

  Spacey Medicine - Jul 9, 2019

  I guess the difference is that Klaue has personality while Thomas Wayne is a charisma vacuum.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jul 10, 2019

  Singing overplayed songs in a interrogation room is definitely personality. There was no reason for the song in this issue about a campfire trip, no contrast or atmosphere at all. Tom King just wanted to be dumb. That makes the most sense to me.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jul 10, 2019

  an* interrogation room. This post brought to you by the lack of an edit button.

  

  Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Jul 10, 2019

  Nevermind the above, I am just being a sleepy jerk. Sorry.

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  Branden Murray

  Jun 19, 2019

  Anybody want a 73 issue Batman run plus Annuals ? Very very cheap. I don't want it stinking up my long box anymore .

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  ohhaimark

  Jun 19, 2019

  Hey guys. I'm not going to be doing a review for this issue, because I have gotten so tired of reviewing Tom King's Batman. I just wanted to let you know this was an awful issue, with no plot progression, awful dialogue, or lack thereof and really weak pencilling. The only good thing I can say about the issue is that Jordie Bellaire's colors are rather beautiful, but they don't salvage the issue.

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  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  you've said all that you need to say, brother! spot on!!

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  myconius

  Jun 19, 2019

  ok. this was absolutely terrible! Tom King is an awful no-talent Hack. still we get no real answers as to- -how did Flashpoint Batman survive in the first place? -how did Flashpoint Batman get to Bruce's dimension? -why did Flashpoint Batman help Bane against Bruce? -why is Bane dumb enough to trust Flashpoint Batman? -how is Bruce not a cripple, with all the times his back has been broken? -how is Bane not a cripple? wasn't his back broken by Catwoman? all King has done is just brought up even more unresolved questions. now he wants to Bring Flashpoint Martha Wayne back to life. JUST AWFUL. we get some of the usual Tom King'iest of Tom King'y tropes- -SLOWWWWWWWW pacing -heavy decompression -issue padded with something tha t wasn't really written by King (this time a song) -spinal damage fixed easy peasy -Bruce made to look like a weak idiot -obligatory comical punch to the face of a Bat-family member -3D computer models being traced and passed off as art this is just a nasty hot diarrhea explosion of a mess. more

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  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  I didn't hate everything, but you are basically right. Worst thing is it is canon.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  i just can't believe he still hasn't said how or why Flashpoint Batman is there. and why he'd be helping Bane. it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. . . . the only silver lining about it being canon is that even canon can be retconned. look how Tomasi fixed the issue with there being two different Supermans (New52 and Pre-New52) he just merged them. a skilled writer can fix the damage done, even when it's a giant nitwit like Tom King.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  Agreed. Maybe he doesn't know himself or he relies on Doomsday Clock. A good writer would have given us an entire issue about Thomas. That would have given us the chance to sympathize with him more& understand his motivations. Thomas comes off as a real two dimensional character.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  most definitely. i truly believe that Tom King had no real plan when he started this run. he's just been pulling things out of his ass, and hoping that it'd all come together. this is painfully apparent with Flashpoint Batman. no logic. no motivations. no character development. just throw S*** at the walls and see what sticks. ...73 issues in, and nothing is adding up. he just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  Why do you assume it's Flashpoint Martha in the coffin? It makes far more sense to me it would be our Bruce's mother, Martha.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  As for things not making sense because they haven't been explained yet, well, they don't make sense because they haven't been explained yet. That's not uncommon in any storytelling medium. This is one of the biggest problems I have with single issue reviews. They fault an issue for not answering every question that may be answered in a future issue. Whether you like the explanation is up to you but I think it's unfair to judge a single issue for not being every issue.

  

  Batman Jones - Jun 19, 2019

  @Darkseid24: "a good writer would have given us an entire issue about Thomas." Not knowing King's plans how do you know he won't do just that? It seems clear to me we're not meant to know whether to trust Thomas or not. Given that it would be out of place to make us sympathize with him right now.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  @ Batman Jones. Right, but it's #73& nothing makes any sense. All we got was fillers& the only bad Scarecrow story I've ever read, so I'm not really willing to give King any chance. And in every book he writes people say „wait"& it never makes much sense in the end. Happened with HIC& with Mr. Miracle as well. Well I won't

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  sympathize with Thomas anyway, since I hate his character, but I think we should have got something by now. @ myconius Agreed

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  i can't see why Flashpoint Batman would want to resurrect an alternate universe version of his wife. after all, that was the woman he loved. back before she became a psychopath and started wholesale murder. so (main universe) Batman will have both his parents alive from an alternate universe. both of them murderers. a big happy family reunion. sounds just like one of those family dinners from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  Yeah, non of this makes any sense. If it's not Flashpoint Martha, which I doubt it is, it makes even less sense because he has no connection with this worlds Martha. Different damn dimension. This was terrible. Again. I feel the wait and see approach in a 6 to 12 issue series, but by 73 issues at $3 to $4 a piece? No. That's ridiculous.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  wasn't Thomas Wayne mortally wounded at the end of Flashpoint? how was he even still alive for that terrible 'Button' story? and how did he survive at the end of 'The Button'?

  

  Talon1load - Jun 19, 2019

  I liked the Button but it was because Johns was involved. Left to his own dvi es, King could fuck up a wet dream.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  hahahaha!! King most definitely would.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  he'd have a 'shart' dream!

  

  Big Brother - Jun 19, 2019

  "a nasty hot diarrhea explosion of a mess" You're a better writer than King.

  

  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  hahahaha! thanks!

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 19, 2019

  It's such a twisted story, but with a better writer it could become a real cool horror story. I mean Martha should be like the mother in Pet Cemetery in the end. The wrong King is writing this story.

  

  myconius - Jun 20, 2019

  the idea of both Thomas and Martha Wayne coming back to life was actually done before in Blackest Night. it's been a long time since i got rid of those comic issues. but i'm pretty sure they were resurrected by the Black Lanterns. it was a neat story, but nothing i needed to ever read again.

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 20, 2019

  I need to check this out then. Can't remember this. But what is if reviving his parents are the big change Kimg was talking about?

  

  Talon1load - Jun 20, 2019

  Please no

  

  Darkseid24 - Jun 21, 2019

  I bet it's something really stupid.

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  KFuqua

  Jun 19, 2019

  Even more garbage from Tom King. He has no grasp of Batman and I will be thrilled when they get him off of this book.

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  Quinn

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  King's war on words continue. There entire pages without dialog, and some pages is is just public domain songs. The entire plot is Thomas wayne dragging a coffin with Martha's body to a Lazerous Pit. He has Bruce coming too, and explains the whole Bane arc, literally. He explains the whole trope of you are broke down and rise from the ashes. Bruce does nothing. He doesn't question anything, certainly not the fact that lazerous pits were originally written so that they had to be used shortly after death. King is stealing another plot - this time it is Death and the Maidens. That story also has the Wayne's bodies being used for revival. Just a terrible issue that goes nowhere and reveals nothing. Or I could be wrong.

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  myconius - Jun 19, 2019

  i don't think you're wrong at all.

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